Re: [OPE-L] Marx on the 'maximum rate of profit'

From: ajit sinha (sinha_a99@YAHOO.COM)
Date: Wed Oct 11 2006 - 16:53:23 EDT


--- Rakesh Bhandari <bhandari@BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

> > --- ajit sinha <sinha_a99@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> >
> >> --- Francisco Paulo Cipolla <cipolla@UFPR.BR>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I do not think the maximum rate of profit
> argument
> >> > is a mathematical
> >> > tautology since it is grounded on the idea of a
> >> > rising composition of
> >> > capital (rising c/L) which is a historical
> >> tendency
> >> > of capitalism.
> >> > Rising rate of exploitation and falling rate of
> >> > profit go together.
> >> > Wasn´t this that Ajit said it was difficult to
> >> show?
> >> > Paulo
> >> ____________________________
> >> Paulo, let me first quote you. You wrote:
> "Then,the
> >> argument goes, IF the value composition of
> >> production
> >> c/L (as Shaikh(?) calls it) presents a tendency
> to
> >> increase, the maximum rate of profit L/c must
> >> present
> >> a tendency to fall." (emphasis added). Your
> >> qualifyer
> >> "if" makes your statement almost a tautology. Why
> >> did
> >> I say almost and not a tautology? Because a pure
> >> tautology would be a statement such as: 'either
> it
> >> is
> >> raining or not raining'. This statement, though
> >> gives
> >> you no information about the weather, is always
> >> true.
> >> Your statement is always true but on the
> condition
> >> that the elementary methematical law that if the
> >> value
> >> of a ratio is rising then its inverse must be
> >> falling.
> >> So for all practical purposes it is a tautology,
> but
> >> since a philosopher could protest, I took the
> >> measure
> >> to protect against such criticism by calling it
> >> almost
> >> a tautology.
> >>
> >> Now you say, "Rising rate of exploitation and
> >> falling
> >> rate of profit go together. Wasn´t this that Ajit
> >> said
> >> it was difficult to show?
> >>
> >> First of all, since you have put your V = 0,
> which
> >> means the rate of exploitation is infinite even
> if
> >> the
> >> working time is one second, the concept of
> "rising
> >> rate of exploitation" is meaningless. In any
> case,
> >> what the rate of exploitation has got to do with
> >> rising rate of composition of capital? And why
> >> cannot
> >> you understand my proposition which you are
> making
> >> me
> >> repeat time and time again? Let me repeat it for
> the
> >> last time. My proposition is: show me how the
> three
> >> tendencies exist together: (1) real wages, i.e.
> >> wages
> >> in terms of goods and services, is rising; (2)
> the
> >> share of wages in net income, which is divided
> >> between
> >> capitalists and workers, is declining; and (3)
> the
> >> rate of profits on capital investment is
> declining.
> > ______________________
> > This evening in a Paris café I tried to work this
> out
> > myself. Of course in a limiting case when rate of
> > profits tend to zero, the share of profit in the
> total
> > net output will also tend to zero. However, if we
> > start from a high level of rate of profits and
> assume
> > that all the surplus value is invested mostly in
> > increasing the constant capital and very little in
> > increasing the variable capital with productivity
> > rising just to the extent that the rate of profits
> > falls slightly, this trend could be maintained for
> a
> > long time. Of course, a time has to come when the
> rate
> > of profits become small enough that the share of
> wages
> > begin to rise vis-a-vis the profit in the net
> output.
> > But the mathematical possibility of the three
> trends
> > existing simultaneously for some time cannot be
> > denied. Cheers, ajit sinha
> >
>
> Ajit,
>
> You didn't have to work this out; it has been long
> understood that these
> three trends (plus two) could exist simultaneously.
>
> Why are you reinventing the wheel on this list?
>
> It is inappropriate that you question the reading
> knowledge of others
> while you don't seem to have read Howard and King's
> two volumes or at
> least much beyond the second chapter of the first
> volume...
>
> Rakesh
________________________
Rakesh, I don't think you understand much of anything.
It was my mistake to engage with you after ignoring
you for a long time. Now from now on, as most of the
others do, I'll simply ignore you for good. ajit sinha
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