From: Riccardo Bellofiore (riccardo.bellofiore@UNIBG.IT)
Date: Tue Dec 05 2006 - 04:26:38 EST
Hi Fred. You know, different persons have different sensibilities. So, when I call you a "fundamentalist", you take it as an offense, when for me is an accurate description, in my meaning of the word. And it does not become wrong because you do not accept my argument. In fact, you, as all the Marxists, always ask for further arguments, because you would never be a censor against others. Then, if I try for arguments, you never find them as appropriate. At a certain point, I quit. So, for example, about our discussion of your paper on money, which should have ended in your web page, you wanted to engage in a long discussion for me to refine it, when I find it quite definitive. So, I find your request for arguments some time a bit excessive. This happens between us as friends, with no insults. Imagine in a list when somebody calls others racist, and the like. Difficult to see this as not a flame, though I understand each individual pojt may be defended as an argument (and I am strongly against Wilson and sociobiology and the like, even Singer etc.). The long chain of deductions and arguments, however, becomes very long, and orthodox marxist have the habit of having long arguments. To me is just boring, I fully understand when others take these as flames. And I do not need further arguments, thanks. The situation is quite clear. Especially when, relative to the same persons (in the mail, there is Jerry, there is Nicky, since a long time), the aggression is constant. So that after some time, as you may know, quantity becomes (bad) quality. And probably, you have missed in that mail the usual attack against Jerry as Moderator. I take it as a flame. Now, after having read OPE-L by a long time, and after having seen how the discussion goes on, and even the patience of Jerry for a long time against attacks , I declare in public that I would like to have Jerry as a Dictator for life for this list. I think he deserves respect. And I think that Rakesh is a precious guy in the list. But he is submerged by the details, and by the need to fight always, with a strong aggressive tone. Now, I ask you if I also, as many others, have to quit the list to avoid being trapped in following these discussions. The solution is very clear. In a list, rakesh should respect minimal rules. If he wants to write a paper, he can call everybody as he wishes. If there is a refereeing process, there will be readers who will ask for arguments, if needed. riccardo riccardo At 22:21 -0500 4-12-2006, Fred Moseley wrote: >Jerry, I am sorry, but no, I don't see this as a flame. >This is one of the posts that I focused on. It seems to me that R. >calls your argument >that forms of primitive communism can be found in non-humans >to be racist. He claims that there is scholarly backing >for this call. I don't agree with R's argument, but it >is not totally crazy. I think it can be answered. >Why not answer it with additional argument, rather than >calling it a flame? > >Please explain what in this post is a flame. > >What do others think? > >Comradely, >Fred > >P.S. jerry, I am sure that you have exercised tremendous >restraint in not responding to all of R's provocations, >and I appreciate that very much. I just have a hard time defending >this as a flame. > >Quoting Jerry Levy <Gerald_A_Levy@msn.com>: > >> >> >>http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0611/0204.html >> > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- Riccardo Bellofiore Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche "Hyman P. Minsky" Università di Bergamo Via dei Caniana 2 I-24127 Bergamo, Italy e-mail: riccardo.bellofiore@unibg.it direct +39-035-2052545 secretary +39-035 2052501 fax: +39 035 2052549 homepage: http://www.unibg.it/pers/?riccardo.bellofiore
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