[OPE-L:4695] Re: value determination (was retracting criticism...)

From: Fred B. Moseley (fmoseley@mtholyoke.edu)
Date: Thu Dec 14 2000 - 12:14:58 EST


Hi Rakesh, 

I don't have much time because of the end-of-semester crunch, but this is
a partial reply to your recent posts.  


1.  Both of the two passages that you present to support your
interpretation that the cost price changes in the transformation of values
into prices of production (C.III. 264-65 and 309) are within the context
of a discussion of commodities produced with capitals of average
composition.  Marx's main point in these discussions is that the prices of
production of these average commodities are EQUAL to their values, unlike
all other commodities.  

This equality between the values and the prices of production of average
commodities is logically possible IF AND ONLY IF the cost price (C + V) IS
THE SAME for the determination of both the values and prices of
production.  This can easily be seen from the following equaitons:

	V   =   ( C + V )   +   S

	P   =   ( C + V )   +   R	(where R stands for profit)

According to Marx's logic, since (C + V) IS THE SAME in both equations and
R = S for average commoditie, it follows that P = V for average
commodities.  



2.  You argue that, in the transformation of values into prices of
production, the cost price MUST CHANGE, i.e. the cost price in the
determination of values IS NOT THE SAME as the cost price in the
determination of prices of production.  However, for average commodities,
IF the cost price in the determination of their prices of production is
not the same as the cost price in the determination of their values, then
the prices of production of these average commodities will NOT be equal to
their values,  contrary to Marx.  

In other words, if you interpretation is correct, then Marx is talking
nonsense in these discussions of average commodities.  If the cost prices
of these average commodities change in the transformation of values into
prices of production, then the prices of production of these commodities
cannot be equal to their values.  


3.  However, there is another interpretation of your two passages that
does not render Marx's discussions of average commodities nonsense.  I
argue that what Marx is saying in these passages is this:  

The cost price of commodities is a "given precondition" in the
determination of both the value and the prices of production of
commodities.  

It was originally assumed that this given cost price was equal to the sum
of the values of the means of production and means of subsistence.

We can now see that this given cost price is equal to the sum of the
prices of production of the means of production and means of subsistence.  

However, this further explanation of the cost price does not change the
magnitude of cost price.  The magnitude of cost price continues to be
taken as given in the determination of both the values and the prices of
production of commodities.  

Therefore, for average commodities, since profit is equal to
surplus-value, the prices of production of these average commodities are
equal to their values.


Rakesh, I would be happy to reexamine these passages in detail.  But I
would be interested in your response to this bare-bones argument.  How do
you square your argument that the cost price must change with Marx's
conclusion that the prices of production of average commodities are equal
to their values?  Thanks very much.

Comradely,
Fred



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