[OPE-L:4785] two reasons for divergence / one reason

From: Fred B. Moseley (fmoseley@mtholyoke.edu)
Date: Tue Jan 23 2001 - 21:12:03 EST


This is a continuation of my last post (#4784) on Rakesh's textual
evidence to support his interpretation (which is really the standard
interpretation) that the COST PRICE IS DIFFERENT in the determination of
the values and the prices of production of commodities. 

Rakesh's second passage on pp. 308-09 of Vol. 3 is at the beginning of
Section 2 Chapter 12 of Volume 3, which is a "supplementary remark" about
"the production price of commodities of average composition".  This
section is the fourth time in as many chapters that Marx discussed this
subject of the price of production of average commodities (Ch. 9,
pp. 263-64; Ch. 10, p. 273-74, and Ch. 11, pp. 303-05).

The main points of these earlier discussions are :  (1) that the price of
production of these average commodities is equal to their values; and
(2) that the price of production of these average commodities is not
affected by a change of wages.  

It is important to emphasize that these conclusions follow IF AND ONLY IF
THE COST PRICE IS THE SAME for the determination of both the value and the
price of production of these commodities.  

In these discussions, as we saw in my last post, Marx made this assumption
of THE SAME COST PRICE in clear and explicit algebraic terms:  

	Value = K + s

	Price = K + p'	(where p' stands for average profit)

Since in the case of average commodities, p' = s, it follows that value =
price of production.  

Within this context, it is surprising that when Marx returns to this
subject of average commodities in Section 2 of Chapter 12, his opening
sentence appears to contradict these conclusions stated in earlier
chapters.  This sentence is the second passage that Rakesh has emphasized:

"We have already seen that the DIVERGENCE OF PRICE OF PRODUCTION FROM
VALUE ARISES FOR TWO REASONS: (1) because the average profit is added to
the cost price of a commodity, rather than the surplus-value contained in
it; and (2) because the price of production of a commodity that diverges
in this way from its value enters as an element into the cost price of
other commodities, which means that a divergence from the value of the
means of production consumed may already be contained in the cost price,
quite apart from the divergence that may arise for the commodity itself
from the difference between average profit and surplus-value."
(emphasis added)

If there are indeed two reasons for prices of production to diverge from
values (different cost prices as well as p' not = s), then this would
apply to average commodities as well, from which it follows that their
price of production would not be equal to their value, even though p' = s.

However, Marx then goes on in the rest of this section to repeat the same
two points made in the earlier discussions of average commodities.  He
emphasizes that, even though the cost price of average commodities is not
equal to the value of the inputs "this possibility does not affect the
correctness of the principles put forward for commodities of average
composition."  "The principles put forward" are the two conclusions stated
above:  that the price of production of average commodities is equal to
their value and is not affected by a change of wages.  

Again, these conclusions follow IF AND ONLY IF THE COST PRICE IS THE SAME
in the determination of both the value and the price of production of
these commodities, which implies that there is ONLY ONE REASON FOR PRICES
OF PRODUCTION TO DIVERGE FROM THEIR VALUES (p' not = s).  Again, Marx made
this clear in algebraic formulation, in which the same K is a component of
both the value and the price of production of these commodities.  Marx's
words:

"It is quite possible, accordingly, for the cost price to diverge from the
value of the elements of which this component of the price of production
is composed, even in the case of commodities that are produced by capitals
of average composition..."

"Yet this possibility in no way affects the correctness of the principles
put forward for commodities of average composition.  The quantity of
profit that falls to the share of these commodities is equal to the
quantity of surplus-value contained in them.  For the above capital, with
its composition of 80c + 20v, for example, THE IMPORTANT THING AS FAR AS
THE DETERMINATION OF SURPLUS-VALUE IS CONCERNED IS NOT WHETHER THESE
FIGURES ARE THE EXPRESSION OF ACTUAL VALUES, BUT RATHER WHAT THEIR MUTUAL
RELATIONSHIP IS; i.e. that v is one-fifth of the total capital and c is
four-fifths.  As soon as this is the case, as assumed above, the
surplus-value v produced is equal to the average profit.  On the other
hand, because it [the surplus-value; FM] is equal to the average profit,
THE PRICES OF PRODUCTION = COST PRICE + PROFIT = K + P = K + S, which is
equal in practice to the commodity's VALUE.  In other words, an increase
of decrease of wages in this case leaves K + P unaffected, just as it
would leave the commodity's value unaffected, and simply brings about a
corresponding converse movement, a decrease or increase, on the side of
the profit rate."  (C.III:  309; emphasis added)

In other words, the important thing in the determination of value and
surplus-value is the actual magnitudes of C and V (which are taken as
given), not whether or not C and V are equal to the values of the MP and
MS.  


Therefore, we seem to have at least the following options in interpreting
this section:

1.  (The standard interpretation):  Marx is confused and contradicts
himself.  The conclusions he reaches about the price of production of
average commodities are contradicted by the opening sentence.  The whole
point of Marx's discussion is nonsense.  

2.  (My interpretation):  Marx misspoke in the opening sentence of the
section.  What he really should have said is that there are two reasons
why the price of production of commodities IS NOT PROPORTIONAL TO THE
LABOR-TIME required to produce them.  In this opening sentence, I think
that Marx momentarily slipped back into using "value" in the provisional
Volume 1 sense of proportional to labor-time. However, Marx had already
made it clear in Chapter 9, as we saw in my last post, that, even though
the cost price may not be equal to the value of the inputs, the value of
commodities is still = K + s, which implies that the value of commodities
may not be proportional to the total labor-time required to produce them
(although the new value component is still proportional to current
labor-time).  And in the remainder of this section of Chapter 12, Marx
again used value in this more developed sense (= K + s, even though K not
= value of the inputs), in which case total value is not proportional to
total labor-time.  

Or Marx should have started with his second paragraph:

"It is quite possible, accordingly, for the cost price to diverge from the
value of the elements of which this component of the price of production
is composed, even in the case of commodities that are produced by capitals
of average composition... Yet this possibility in no way affects the
correctness of the principles put forward for commodities of average
composition...

I think this is the real point Marx is trying to make in this
section: Even though the cost price is not = to the value of the inputs,
this does not affect the correctness of the principles put forward for
average commodities.  And the correctness of these principles requires
that the COST PRICE IS THE SAME for the determination of both the value
and the price of production of commodities, which implies that there is
only ONE REASON FOR THE DIVERGENCE between prices of production and
values. Marx's terminological slip in the first sentence should not
distract from the correctness of these principles.  

3.  (Rakesh's interpretation?):  Or perhaps Rakesh has another
interpretation of the conclusions drawn in the rest of this section and in
the prior discussions of average commodities (price of production = value
and not affected by a change of wages) that is consistent with his
interpretation of the first sentence.  If so, please explain.  


I look forward to further discussion.

Comradely,
Fred



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