Jerry, thanks for a discussion of my book. I have to go a meetings in a couple of minutes, so I will be brief. In most of my books, I put Marx at the forefront. Here I wanted to make a simple point that there is so much screwed up in our economy and society the way it is, that we have a great deal of latitude been experimenting with non-market methods -- in effect, opening up a dialogue where Marxists could participate. It was an experiment. I'm not sure that I would judge it a success -- at least so far. I also mentioned Fred Moseley, I thought. > Gerald_A_Levy wrote: > > Michael P's recent book _Transcending the Economy: > On the Potential of Passionate Labor and the Wastes > of The Market_ (NY, St. Martin's Press, 2000; ISBN > 0-312-22977-1) raises some issues which have not > been systematically addressed by either mainstream > (neo-neo-classical) theory or heterodox theories, including > Marxist theories. > > An indication of the later point can be seen in Ch. 5 > ("A Review of the Literature") in which the few sources > where waste has been discussed in mainstream economic > theory are reviewed. There is no mention at all of any > specifically Marxist literature on waste. Perhaps there > is some Marxist literature on waste, maybe in non- > English languages, that Michael is unaware of? > > This doesn't mean that Marx and Marxist perspectives > aren't discussed. There is a very brief mention of Fred's > and Shaikh/Tonak's writings about unproductive labor > (pp. 9-10), but Michael adds "My concept of waste > goes considerably further than these calculations of > unproductive labor". I agree that Michael *does* go > much further in analyzing waste, but I wonder: why > weren't the subjects of value and unproductive labor > more explicitly brought to bear on a discussion of > wealth? I.e. even if one says that one needs to go > *beyond* the prior Marxist discussions of value, > shouldn't those discussions be discussed, evaluated, > and critiqued? Perhaps the answer is to be found in > the intended use for the book, i.e. it is intended, it seems, > to me to be a "popular" book suitable perhaps for > undergraduate classes (in what I'm not sure). > > Marx is discussed briefly, especially in connection with > Ch. 5 ("Conflict in the Production Process"), but his > analysis is not examined systematically as it relates > to other subjects in the book, imo. Why this is the > case, I'm not sure. Perhaps it is grounded in the belief > that there isn't all that much in Marx on the subject of > waste and we need to deepen our analysis beyond what he wrote? To some degree, I agree. Yet, it seems to me, > that the connections of Marx to the subject of waste > can be more deeply explored. Indeed -- perhaps we can > have that discussion here on OPE-L? > > Let's see if we can identify a broad framework (outline > if you will) in which we can discuss waste, value, & > wealth (and something Michael calls "passionate labor"). > Here are some ideas for broad subjects for discussion: > > I) Waste of Value > > a) waste of labor-power > > To begin with, we have to look at waste from a *class > perspective* it seems to me. E.g. *from the standpoint > of capital* the decline of child labor might be seen > as wasted potential. Not so from the *perspective of > the working class*. Similarly, if absolute surplus > value is decreased by a shortening of the working > day or the workweek, this might be seen as wasted > potential from the perspective of the capitalist class. > Not so from the perspective of the working class. > Also, a decrease in the intensity of labor might be seen > as wasted potential from the standpoint of capital yet > it would be seen otherwise by the working class. > > Another area in which this differing perspective can > be seen (and this gets us a little closer to the concept > of "passionate labor") are differing concepts of *leisure*. > From a capitalist perspective, and from the standpoint > of the Protestant work ethic, leisure is waste (especially > if its leisure by the working class!). Yet, increased > leisure time is something that the working class > struggles for. Also, while a vacation (e.g. sailing by > a working-class family) might be seen as wasted > potential by capital, it is seen as *pleasure* by the > working class. Indeed, it is *for pleasure* (and passion), > in addition to merely subsistence, that workers work > for, right? > > At the other end of life in capitalist society there is also > waste of potential labor power. Thus, especially in > advanced capitalist economies, workers are forced > into early retirement (or are discriminated against > in the market for labor power based on their age). > Yet, here there are differences in perspective among > workers: many workers can't wait until retirement > (when they think that they can *finally* experience > pleasure -- in this context, I mean liberation from work) > whereas other workers can't imagine life without earning > a wage (and who knows how many thousands, perhaps > millions?, have died shortly after retirement when they > seemed to have lost the will and zest to live? Thus, > sad to say, for all too many workers the freedom from > work ushers in the freedom from life). > > One might also argue that the *capitalist* division of > labor promotes waste. E.g. occupations which are > only useful to the realization or transfer of value > rather than the creation of new value might be viewed > as wasted potential labor power. Here we can find > some connections between the subject of unproductive > labor and waste. > > Then, of course, there is the army of the unemployed. > From one perspective, this might be seen as wasted > potential (indeed, this is implied by the marginalist > "production possibilities curve" graph). Yet, from the > standpoint of capital the IRA is not waste *alone* -- rather > it serves an important function *for capital*: i.e. to > help drive down wages, intensify labor, and increase > the bargaining power of capitalists. The working class, > of course, views the matter differently. > > Paradoxically, while the working class struggles for > greater leisure time it also struggles against an > expansion of the IRA. This is because when workers > join the IRA they have a lot more "free time" for > leisure, but not enough money to enjoy that leisure! > Thus, the old story for the working class under capitalism > is that they either have no time for leisure but earn a > wage or they have nothing but time for leisure but don't > have the money that they view as necessary to enjoy that > time. Either way, they lose. > > b) waste of constant capital > > On the waste of circulating constant capital, I will > write more in the next section. But, here, I will simply > note that there are important ecological consequences. > > What about the "forcible destruction of capital values" > that occur in a crisis? This could be viewed as *wasted > value*, couldn't it? Indeed, isn't the whole subject > of "moral depreciation" related to the subject of waste? > Yet, an exploration of wasted value (often caused > by wasted use-value) must be linked to the subject > of the transformation of value and use-value caused > by technical change. Thus, on one level there *is* > waste when there are advances in computer > technology (as the use-values of the older technologies > are rendered prematurely obsolete), yet in this case > waste might be seen as promoting the accumulation > of capital. > > [While on the topic of accumulation of capital, we > should note that this *is* the capitalist passion: > "Accumulate! Accumulate ...." Similarly, > we might say that many capitalists view labor > employed in pursuit of war and plunder as a > *passion*. (And, of course, the military views > war as the ultimate passionate activity). The > working class, however, has very different passions > -- although some segments of the working class > influenced by "education", the media, government > propaganda, etc. can come to embrace the idea > of war as passion. This, however, leads us to > another subject -- the state (since an understanding > of nationalism assumes an understanding of the state > in capitalist society). > > c) transfer of value > > There is a transfer of value by capitalists to the > state. Does this represent, on some level, a > waste of value? I would say: not necessarily. > It depends on what we mean here by the expression > "waste". And it depends on *who* (i.e. what class) > it is a waste (or a benefit) to? Thus, war -- from the > standpoint of the international working class -- > represents a waste of working class lives. Not so > from the perspective of capital and capitalist nations. > included as well). > > The above might be explored, in part (but _only_ part) > by a consideration of the acquisition of what become > elements of constant circulating capital. > > Capitalists seek to accumulate capital. But, doesn't > the working-class often seek to accumulate > commodities that are used for individual consumption? > Of course, working class *passions* for a lot of > commodities are created often by "consumerism" > promoted by various social institutions, especially > *advertising* by capitalists. What is the effect of > this working-class (and other class) demand for > consumer goods on the environment? How will their > passions be changed? > > III. The Way Forward > > I guess we could agree with the desire for passionate > labor as a true expression of human potential. > > Yet, how do we get from here to there? > > Michael's book is self-consciously in the tradition of the > Utopian Socialists, especially Fourier. Indeed, he > concludes near the end of his book that what is required > is a transformation of society but that "whether it > proceeds along the rather modest course I am > suggesting here or the revolutionary path that Marx > foresaw -- society has no choice but to begin the > process as soon as possible" (p. 160). Yet this > begs the question -- can we eliminate waste and > have "passionate labor" with a "modest course" > or is a revolutionary transformation required? > > Does anyone else want to talk about waste and value > and passionate labor? > > In solidarity, Jerry > > > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University michael@ecst.csuchico.edu Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901
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