Jerry Levy [OPE-L:5167]wrote: > I don't know if you [Steve K] _fully_ appreciate that Marx > was a revolutionary, a communist. He was not > an economist. Indeed, he would have viewed > such a designation as an insult. Surely, whether Marx was an 'economist' depends on the meaning given to the term, and whether the terms 'economist' and 'revolutionary'/'communist' are taken to be mutually exclusive?? Doesn't this depend upon the relationship of knowledge to praxis, as well as the role of intellectuals in revolution? Both could be understood in a variety of ways by different people. Imo, theoretical input is likely to be *more* crucial in a time of revolution than at any other time, to the extent that purposive action will always seek a guiding principle; the barricades are not just on the streets/working places - they are everywhere. If this argument is granted, how/why is it shameful to be struggling with 'economic' problems while a revolution is in the making? Of course, it would be a shame if the 'economic' problem under discussion were meaningless in the context of the main event. > To get closer to your [Steve K's] critique, I want you to > think some more about the above and recall > that Marx considered his theory of surplus-value > to be one of his two greatest "discoveries" in > political economy. From that perspective, his > position that wage-labor is the sole source of > value and surplus-value is more than a > theoretical position -- it is an expression of his > politics. It is his explanation for the exploitation > of the working-class and it has truly revolutionary > implications about what is required to end that > exploitation. It is not just another part of his > theory -- it is a cornerstone. Surely we should be less concerned with Marx's convictions than with the question of whether his analysis is correct/relevant. Marx may have seen his theory of surplus value as one of his most important discoveries, but it could be argued - as Chris A. has indeed argued in the Spring edition of C&C - that surplus value as a measure of capitalist exploitation is limited to a measure of exploitation in distribution, since it is concerned only with the discrepency between new wealth created, and that which is returned to the workers who produce it. Chris makes a conceptual distinction between exploitation in this distributional sense, and exploitation in production, which is concerned with the *whole* of the working day, and not just the unpaid labour component of it. The basis for his argument is that the use-value of labour is exploited by capital throughout the working day - i.e. exploitation in production is essentially command over the productive capacity of labour, from the beginning to the end of the working day. Because capital controls the productive capacity of workers, subjecting it to the purpose of valorisation, socially necessary labour time can be thought of (according to Chris) as 'socially necessary exploitation time' - the determination of the magnitude of value. This rethinking of exploitation leads on to a rethinking of value determination. I agree with Chris that the essence of capitalism is that productive activity is determined by the value form, under which capitalist exploitation occurs *not* as an appropriation from the value product of labour, but as substitution of the productive power of capital for that of the workers. Hence: "the category of value should be rooted precisely in capital's struggle with labour to accomplish this 'transfer' of the said productive powers. Likewise, the actualisation of the form "abstract labour" is rooted in the manner in which capital measures what it appropriates therewith and makes into its substance [i.e. productive power]' (C&C, 73, p.34). I have much sympathy with a labour theory of value viewed as a dialectic of negativity (where value is not something positive created by labour but a category pertaining to the success of capital in harnessing the productive power of labour, to the ends of valorisation). Labour is 'not-value'. Whether Chris succeeds in rescuing the concept of 'socially necessary labour' (and hence rescuing the paradigm of production) from it's critics is more questionable, imo. Given that "money" and not "socially necessary labour time" is the 'manner in which capital measures what it appropriates'. > I wonder if you can imagine the disdain with which > Marx would view the proposition that means of > production create new value? In the *Results* Marx (1976a, p.1056; cited Arthur, C&C, 73, p.26) writes very clearly his views on the productivity of capital: "Thus capital is productive: (1) as the *compulsion* to *surplus labour*. Now if labour is productive it is precisely as the agent that performs this surplus labour... (2) as the personification and representative, the reified form of the 'social productive forces of labour" Chris A. comments that the crucial inversion occuring in capitalist exploitation is that of subject and object, such that the productive forces of labour appear as that of the productive forces of capital. Or, as Jerry rightly points out: > It turns the world upside down where the illusion > appears that the commodities produced by labor > are themselves creative of value (thus it is an > example of commodity fetishism). Moreover, it > has pernicious political implications to the extent > that it leads towards the bourgeois conception > that land, labor, *and capital* create value. Marx > treated such theories, you will recall, with great > scorn. Although the idea that means of production can create *new* value is an illusion, so too is the idea that value is something *positive* created by labour. What is not an illusion is the productive power of capital - capital *is* productive, to the extent that it harnesses the productive powers of living labour, which is negated (in the working day) and preserved (as dead labour) in means of production. Capital controls both the substance and form of economic activity. Class struggle as a struggle for control over productive capacity, reconstitutes value as a measure of capital's success. I don't feel qualified to comment on other people's beliefs as to the possibility (or otherwise) for revolution against the dictatorship of value. Each to his/her own set of convictions, I say. In the meantime, let's go on arguing about how best to theorise capitalism - and do so without shame. > In sol. 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