I will gladly accept your argument that "terrorism" is a much abused word. But, then, so is socialism, Marxism, Christianity, democracy, etc. However, this wasn't clear (to me) in your posting. If I attributed views to you that you do not hold, I apologize. peace, plm At 10:10 AM 9/18/01 +0100, you wrote: >Patrick, > >you seem to have missed the point here. In repeating the South African >Apartheid Governments daily accusations against the ANC and mandela (what >charges were made against him to encarcarate him?) .I was trying to >underline fact that 'terrorism' is a word used for purely political >purposes... its abuse by the corrupt crooks and murderers in power can no >longer have any generally acceptable meaning, only meaning for particular >sides. > >Fortunately all the other respondents got the point, for which thanks. > >Paul B > >-----Original Message----- >From: Patrick L. Mason <pmason@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> >To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu <ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu> >Date: 17 September 2001 18:13 >Subject: [OPE-L:5931] Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: the wages of war > > > > > > > >This discussion is bizarre. Mandela, a terrorist!!! Pure garbage. > > > >To conflate terrorism with a legitimate freedom fighter is mind boggling. > >Everyone on the face of the earth who cared to know, knew the purpose of > >the ANC's struggle. On the other hand, no one knows (for certain, at the > >moment) who was behind last week's insanity or what possible goal the > >perpetrators were trying to achieve. > > > >People who target buildings with day-care centers are simply evil. The WTC > >included people of every religion, political ideology, economic class, skin > >color, sexual preference, etc. among human beings. The only definable > >target was human life. > > > >Blowing up the world trade center (through the suicidal hijacking and > >destruction of planes that also contained a vast variety of people) is an > >extraordinarily vicious, utterly futile, and stupidly meaningless act. > >America has an $8.5 to $9.0 trillion GDP. This senseless act will have zero > >longrun economic impact. Politically, it will only make it more difficult > >to create a more humane world. This horrific event eliminated all > >discussion of the World Conference Against Racism from the print and > >electronic. > > > >The public works injection associated with rebuilding New York and > >expanding the military will increase the size of the GDP. The American > >military-industrial complex will only be made stronger. Neither the > >Palestinians nor any Arab/Islamic political group fighting for a more > >democratic government or any form of economic justice will be helped by > >this act. > > > >To equate Mandela and the African National Congress with the > >nation/organization/individuals that carried out the actions of the past > >week is deeply insulting to anyone who thinks that morality, ethics, > >values, and the preciousness of life, especially human life, are something > >more than "contemptible bourgeois concepts." The ANC had as its policy that > >only economic infrastructure and military targets were legitimate targets. > > > >Only degenerate, hedonistic, psychopaths murder thousands of people for the > >sheer joy of killing. > > > >Maybe, I don't understand the mentality of some on "the left" anymore. > >Maybe, I never did. Many leftist wish to save whales, protect rain forests, > >stop the senseless of baby seals, and (some) encourage humans to quit > >eating meat. Okay, that's all good. > > > >I'm all for saving whales, rain forests, and old growth forests and spotted > >owls. But, I also think human life is worthy of salvation. I'm totally > >against the senseless murder of animals. I live in a wooded area with > >rattlesnakes, mocassins, copperheads, and coral snakes. I'm even against > >killing these deadly snakes. > > > >I have no idea who carried out this horrific action, but common decency > >would suggest that the perpetrators have nothing in common with the ANC or > >British teenagers training to fight off a Nazi invasion. > > > >patrick l mason > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 04:48 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: > >>During the WW2 British boy scouts, from the age of 11 to 16 were taught >how > >>to sabotage an expected German invasion force, in ways which were almost > >>certainly 'suicidal'... ... no doubt we might have regarded this as > >>terrorism if we were with the Wehrmacht. > >> > >>Your question is strikingly naive, if you will excuse me saying so. > >>Mandela, Makarios, and many other post colonial leaders were well > >>established 'terrorist' leaders. > >> > >>What are the 'objective' or material causes of these acts? that is the > >>point. > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Chai-on Lee <conlee@chonnam.ac.kr> > >>To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu <ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu> > >>Date: 17 September 2001 11:21 > >>Subject: [OPE-L:5922] RE: Re: Re: Re: the wages of war > >> > >> > >> >Dear All, > >> > > >> >Could anybody distinguish between the terrorist and the guerrilla? > >> >I am purplexed. > >> > > >> >Chai-on > >> > > >> > > > > >
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