---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rakesh Bhandari <rakeshb@stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:50:31 -0800 >Re Rakesh's [6315]: > >> My first answer is simple and predictable: if the average rate of >> profit is not ultimately determined by labor time relations, then >> capitalism cannot give rise to those contradictions in the >>process > of production that Marx, as a materialist, thought were >>the >> precondition for the revolutionary activity of the only the >> subject that Marx thought had even the latent power to actually >> effect a transition in the mode of production--the working class. > >What specificially are the 'contradictions' in the process of >production which are the 'precondition' for revolutionary activity >by the working class had grossman's conclusion in mind. > and why can't this same conclusion concerning the working class be >derived sans value analysis? his conclusion depends on FROP which is invalidated by use value or physical surplus theory. Is FROP possible without LTV? I think a strong foundation for this developmental tendency is impossible without LTV. I may be wrong. > >A historical note: Marx was a dedicated revolutionary who believed >in the revolutionary role of the working class -- from a materialist >'scientific socialist' perspective -- long before he developed his >critique of political economy. Please elaborate on significance of this important point. Rakesh
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