[OPE-L:6550] Re: * poll: who has advanced political economy since Marx? *

From: Andrew Brown (Andrew@lubs.leeds.ac.uk)
Date: Mon Feb 11 2002 - 06:21:32 EST


Not by me - Lenin both developed and applied materialist dialectics.

Andy

On 10 Feb 2002, at 17:42, paul bullock wrote:

> I note the fact that no one seems to think Lenin developed and applied
> Marx's contribution.
> 
> Is this taken for granted?
> 
> 
> Paul Bullock?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gerald_a_levy <gerald_a_levy@msn.com>
> To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu <ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu>
> Date: 08 February 2002 12:24
> Subject: [OPE-L:6534] Re: * poll: who has advanced political economy
> since Marx? *
> 
> 
> >Re Andy B's:
> >
> >> Jerry [6527] wrote,
> >> > So, in summary, there have been a number of material conditions
> >> > which
> >have
> >> > conspired to retard the advancement of heterodox and Marxian
> >> > political economy. NONETHELESS,  a very major reason imo for that
> >> > lack of
> progress
> >> > is (as I suggested previously) that so few Marxians have even
> >> > attempted
> >to
> >> > extend our understanding of capitalism beyond Marx.
> >> I think Jerry's summary fills out a little bit my earlier statement
> >> that the separation of intellectual and manual labour, and more
> >> generally the perverse appearances of capitalism lie at the heart
> >> of the 'problem' re development of Marx. However, I disagree with
> >> the 'NONETHELESS' Jerry adds above. You cannot go beyond what you
> >> don't understand. The 'problem', from my perspective, is that Marx
> >> is little understood.
> >
> >Brief questions:
> >
> >1)   If the problem is as you say that "Marx is little understood",
> >then:
> >
> >      a) do you think you understand Marx? If you think you do, then
> >          why do you think you have developed that understanding when
> >          all but a handful of others by your reckoning have failed?
> >
> >      b) if you are not sure you understand Marx, how do you know
> >      that
> >          so few others have understood him?
> >
> >2) If Marx is so 'little understood' can at least part of the reason
> >why
> >      be something with what and how he himself wrote?  How is it
> >      even conceivable that a writer who wrote clearly and without
> >      being self- contradictory can not be substantially understood
> >      119 years after his death -- especially given the thousands of
> >      scholars who have poured over those writings?
> >
> >3) Since you want to talk about how the perverse appearances of
> >     capitalism have affected the way in which Marxists conceive of
> >     that subject, wasn't Marx presented with  those same perverse
> >     appearances? Let us consider Marx's material conditions.  How is
> >     it possible that a 'Young Hegelian' with a PhD turned
> >     revolutionary socialist who for
> most
> >     of his life was supported by  the charitable contributions of a
> >     wealthy revolutionary who was a capitalist (FE) could penetrate
> >     those appearances when all else  -- before and since -- have
> >     failed?
> >
> >4) Could it be that Marx had a distinct advantage over Marxists in
> >    that he could create a theory without reference to a Marx-figure?
> >    That is, he showed  intellectual deference to no one. Can the
> >    same be said for the Marxists or don't they often (habitually
> >    even) defer to Marx?   Thus, perhaps it is the 'Specter of Marx'
> >    which
> >     haunts many Marxists and inhibits forward movement?  Perhaps you
> >     have then suggested a very good reason for _not_ studying Marx
> >     -- after all, if so few have attained that understanding might
> >     it not be
> a
> >     Utopian quest -- a  search for the 'Revolutionary Holy Grail' so
> >     to speak?
> >
> >5) An idealistic thought experiment:
> >
> >     You get a job as a TV script writer. You are asked to develop
> >      a plot along the following lines:
> >
> >     Suppose that Marx came back from the grave and joined OPE-L
> >     (assuming he was recommended for membership, invited, and
> >      accepted). What do you think he would say to us now?  What do
> >     you think he would say to the suggestion that low these many
> >     years after his death we are still trying to understand wtf he
> >     said and
> can't
> >     attempt to move beyond his understanding until we come to
> >     appreciate that understanding?
> >
> >     Sounds like an amusing plot for 'Mad TV', doesn't it?
> >
> >In solidarity, Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> 



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