We have seen a number of arguments advanced by Rakesh and others who have claimed that slaves can produce surplus value: i) the claim has been made that the money advanced for the purchase of slaves represents constant capital (Rakesh claimed in 6956 that, although he disagrees with this position he doesn't think that it's an unreasonable position [more on this below] given how *he* thinks Fred and TSS define c); ii) the claim has been made by Rakesh in 6948 that the money advanced for the purchase of slaves represents faux frais of slave production. Yet, as I explained in 6955, faux frais are understood to represent "incidental" expenses related to production and there is nothing "incidental" about money advanced by slaveowners for the purchase of slaves. iii) the claim was made by Rakesh in 6948 that the costs associated with the daily reproduction of slaves represents variable capital. Paul C goes further in 6960 and claims that the money spent for the purchase of slaves represents v. Then, in 6972 Rakesh claims that this is a "good argument" (even though he has already classified this expenditure as faux frais rather than v). Of course, if one claims iii) then slaves can be productive of surplus value. The case is a bit less clear with respect to faux frais but I think that -- understood properly -- the agents on whom faux frais are expended don't themselves produce value or surplus value but rather help to establish the 'setting' under which s can be created. In any event, despite Rakesh's gymnastics in 6956, it _should_ be clear that expenditures in the form of constant capital do not result in the self-expansion of value. What hasn't been mentioned explicitly yet is another position -- one advanced by Marx -- years after he wrote what became the _Theories of Surplus Value_: namely, that "in the slave system, the money laid out on the purchase of labour-power plays the role of fixed capital in the money form, and is only gradually replaced as the active life of the slave comes to an end" (_Capital_, Volume 2, Penguin ed., p. 554 -- full paragraph extends to p. 55). Yet, Marx is *very* clear (and we should be as well) that fixed capital, in contrast to a portion of capital which takes the form of *fluid* (or circulating) capital, does *not* have characteristic of resulting in the self-expansion of value. Moreover, Marx (and we) should be clear that that part of the productive capital which is spent on fixed capital is for *means of production* ("of which the fixed capital consists"). Nonetheless, I think that the perspective that the money allocated for slaves takes the form of fixed capital is fundamentally confused since slaves *clearly* are not "means of production" (and thereby come to be represented as "dead labor"). Perhaps the reason for this is that Marx, as well as Rakesh, was confused by the role that slaves play (if any) in the creation of surplus value. Thus, he was consistent in terms of believing that the production of a surplus product is a common characteristic of all class societies, but he was inconsistent in terms of comprehending whether surplus *value* production was specific to "modern society" (i.e. the bourgeois mode of production). Engels, it seems to me, was *more* consistent in claiming that surplus value is a trans-historical category (and I think that Paul C in his understandings of abstract labor, commodity, surplus value, etc. is following in the tradition of Engels -- and later Kautsky, the German-Austrian Social Democrats, the Bolshevik theoreticians, and later the "diamat" school). So, I guess if we are to "blame" anyone, besides ourselves, for this confusion then it should be Marx himself who was wrestling with how to distinguish categories associated with capitalism from concepts that have transhistorical application for all class societies. Where the confusion seems most apparent is where you have social formations where one mode of production is dominant but remnants of other pre-existing modes of production persist and *interact* with the dominant mode. One might also claim that this issue has been a source of confusion by many Marxists in comprehending special so-called "transitional" social formations where the organizing principles of alternative modes of production confront one another and struggle for dominance. In solidarity, Jerry
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