RE Paul B's [6997]: > I suppose this means that your reference to Engle's and SV is now withdrawn...and that you answer to where such SV references are to be found in Engels now moves from....'I havn't found one yet' ... to 'there weren't any'. < My answer is: I haven't had the time to properly review Engels' works re this question. However, since I don't have the evidence at hand I guess it's only fair to Fred to withdraw my previous statement concerning his alleged use of the concept of surplus value to describe non-capitalist modes of production and production relations. This, however, raises a larger question (which has never been really discussed in any systematic way on OPE-L before) have "we" (i.e. contemporary Marxist scholars) been unfair to Fred E? That is, have we failed to recognize properly his accomplishments and *unfairly* criticized his theories and practice? Clearly, we have the responsibility to subject the theories and praxis of Engels to critique (just as we have the responsibility to do the same to Marx's theories and praxis: after all, no one should be immune from critique from a Marxist perspective, right?). Yet, some might claim (rightly or wrongly) that there has been some unjust "Engels-bashing" going on in recent decades. What are some instances of authors who have unfairly attacked Engels -- especially as it relates to philosophy and political economy? A follow-up question might be: what, if anything, is there to be learned from Engels political-economic perspective that can't be learned from an examination of Marx's perspective? And, turning the question on its head: what are some instances in which Engels *should* be criticized for his methodology and and political-economic perspectives? For instance, are there *major* areas in which Engels "got it wrong"? Any takers? In solidarity, Jerry
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