[OPE-L:8132] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: philosophy and political economy

From: Fred B. Moseley (fmoseley@mtholyoke.edu)
Date: Thu Dec 05 2002 - 23:11:32 EST


Paulo, I don't understand why this is not an explanation of surplus-value.  
A difference in money quantities - dM or surplus-value - is explained by a
difference in labor-time quantities - (L-Ln) or surplus labor.  
Why is this not an explanation of surplus-value?

Why there is a difference between L and Ln is a further question, to which
Marx's theory provides a substantial, but not exhaustive answer.  But it
still explains why money value added in greater than the money wages paid
- because L is greater than Ln, not because of the marginal productivity
of capital, etc.

Comradely,
Fred


On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Francisco Paulo Cipolla wrote:

> 
> You seem to agree that we cannot say that (L-Ln)m explains why value added is
> greater than (Ln)m. It simply says that for there to be surplus value
> (L-Ln)m>0.
> Paulo
> 
> "Fred B. Moseley" wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Francisco Paulo Cipolla wrote:
> >
> > > Fred wrote:
> > > I argue that Marx took the wage-bill (i.e. variable capital) as given, and
> > > then assumed that the quantity of value added (VA) produced is determined
> > > by the product of the quantity of socially necessary labor-time (L) and
> > > money-value produced per hour (m); i.e.
> > >
> > >         VA = m L
> > >
> > > >From this basic assumption, the quantity of surplus-value is explained, as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > >         S = VA  - V             V is variable capital
> > >
> > >           = mL  - V
> > >
> > >           = m (L - Ln)          where Ln = V / m
> > >
> > > This theory explains why value added is greater than variable capital -
> > > because in only takes workers a part of the working day to produce
> > > value-added equal to variable capital.  But without the assumption that VA
> > > = mL, there would be no explanation.
> > >
> > > Hi Fred and colleagues of OPE-L,
> > > It is not clear to me why your  algebra allows you to conclude that "this
> > > explains why value added is greater than variable capital". It explains rather
> > > why a condition for the existence of surplus value is VA>V, or saying the same
> > > differently: a condition for surplus value is that L be greater than Ln. But
> > > none of this algebra explains why in fact it is. This difference between L and
> > > Ln seems to me to be a result of history. It was true in feudalism already!
> > > Capitalism increases the distance between L and Ln. Maybe it was just a matte
> > > of expression. Could you clarify further? I thank you in advance.
> > > Paulo
> > >
> >
> > Hi Paolo, thanks for your questions.  My brief responses are:
> >
> > 1.  This equation (or rather Marx's theory which the equation
> > summarizes) identifies the determinants of surplus-value: L and Ln, which
> > are quantities of labor-time that exist as separate entities from
> > quantities of money - even though necessarily connected with quantities of
> > money, with the precise relation between them expressed by this
> > equation.  I agree that one also had to go further and explain the
> > determination of L and Ln, which Marx's theory also does (see #4 below).
> >
> > 2.  This equation also explains more than the "condition of existence" of
> > surplus-value.  It also explains the precise magnitude of surplus-value,
> > which is proportional to surplus labor, with m as the factor of
> > proportionality.
> >
> > 3.  I also agree (of course) that surplus labor already existed in
> > feudalism.  But the unique thing about capitalism is that surplus labor
> > APPEARS TO DISAPPEAR!  Because capitalist pay wages to workers, the
> > relation between capitalists appears to be one of an equal exchange, with
> > no surplus labor involved.  Mainstream economic theory explains profit (or
> > at least tries to, and fails) by factors other than surplus labor - the
> > marginal productivity of capital, abstinence (!), risk, etc.  The main
> > achievement of Marx's theory (in my view) is that it destroys the illusion
> > of an equal exchange between capitalists and workers and clearly
> > demonstrates that surplus-value is the result of surplus labor, i.e. of
> > the exploitation of workers.
> >
> > 4.  Capitalism does indeed "increase the distance between L and Ln."  Much
> > more so than other mode of production.  From this inherent tendency to
> > increase surplus labor, Marx's theory derived in Volume 1 the following
> > important further conclusions: (1) inherent conflict over the length of
> > the working day; (2) inherent conflict over the intensity of labor, and
> > (3) inherent technological change.  This impressive explanatory power is
> > unmatched by any other theory of profit.
> >
> > Paolo (and others), any further comments?  Thanks again.
> >
> > Comradely,
> > Fred
> 


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