From: gerald_a_levy (gerald_a_levy@msn.com)
Date: Thu Dec 26 2002 - 10:49:06 EST
Re [5234]: Marx obviously didn't discuss "the issue itself" -- electronics and value -- in the _Grundrisse_. And he certainly didn't present the more general issue in cartoon form like: http://www.scienceofsociety.org/inbox/unit6.before.after.html In this short and suggestive section of the _Grundrisse_ (pp. 704-707, Penguin ed.), Marx asserts that with the development of science, "Labour no longer appears *so much* to be included within the production process; rather, the human being comes to relate more as a watchman and regulator to the production process itself" (705; emphasis added, JL) and that: "Labour steps to the side of the production process instead of being its chief actor" (Ibid). This might be seen as a premonition of the 'factory of the future' (a factory without workers such as a flexible manufacturing system [FMS]). Yet, note that Marx has *qualified* his statements above, e.g. "appears so much", "chief" [actor]. Later, he goes on to write that capital "calls to life all the powers of science and of nature, as of social combination and of social intercourse, in order to make the creation of wealth independent (*relatively*) of the labour time employed in it" (Ibid, p. 706, emphasis added, JL). Note again the qualification -- "relatively". Marx goes on to write: "Forces of production and social relations -- two different sides of the development of the social individual -- appear to capital as a mere means, and are merely means for it to produce on its material foundation. In fact, however, *they are the material conditions to blow the foundation sky-high* " (Ibid, emphasis added, JL). Does this mean that value will end of its own accord when the last worker is expelled from the production process? Hardly. What it asserts, I believe, is something more simple: as workers are rendered increasingly 'superfluous', the material conditions for heightened class struggle are present and it is that struggle which has the capacity to "blow the foundation sky-high". More concretely, this could be interpreted as meaning that the expulsion of workers from the production process lays the material conditions for heightened struggles by workers over employment, unemployment, and changing forms of employment. (NB: the creation of the material conditions _alone_ do not necessarily result in a heightened intensity of class struggle -- the self-activity and subjectivity of the working-class is required). This struggle might be intensified over issues surrounding the diffusion of electronics, but the conclusion that "electronics lay the basis for the destruction of the value system" is problematic. Wasn't there a material basis for the destruction of the value system before the advent of the age of electronics? In any event, it is important to note that alongside the loss of employment on the micro level due to the spread of labor-saving forms of technical change in means of production there are *also* the creation of new branches of production which employ workers. This does not mean, of course, that there will be a 'balance' between the workers who are technological displaced and those who are hired in other branches of production for which there is an increasing demand for labour-power. Indeed, it is important to note that there is technological change going on in *all* branches of production: thus, for example, less workers were employed by robotic manufacturers than many authorities anticipated since robotics were used to expel workers from the robotic-manufacturing process, i.e. flexible manufacturing systems were created, in some cases, where robots (and related technologies, such as numerical control cells) produced robots with only minimal and nominal living labor required. What has to be considered, in addition, is the importance of wage rates versus the cost of new more advanced means of production in the investment decision by capitalists. While there are some control advantages of having robots (e.g. robots don't have to go to the restroom or eat or require vacation time or time to sleep and they can't form a union and intentionally resist speed-up or go on strike), the cost of employing robots vs. employing living labor is a crucial factor. And one has to recall that as the size of the industrial reserve army increases, there is downward pressure on wages. Put within the context of the current international economy, this may mean that it might cost corporations less to employ less- advanced means of production in areas of the world where wages are relatively very low (and where the IRA tends to be very high) than to employ the more advanced latest "electronic" production technology. The mass poverty in so many parts of the world, it should be recalled, is _not_ primarily a consequence of 'electronic production'. Yet, that poverty has an impact on the diffusion period for these technologies. In any event, the section of the _Grundrisse_ cited by "D. Adami" does not make the assertions about the "destruction of value" that the article below makes (although there is a discussion in the _Grundrisse_ elsewhere re the destruction of value). Hence, it can not help us answer the following questions posed by the Davis article. In solidarity, Jerry Subject: [OPE-L:8228] electronics and value A short paper -- "The Shape of History: Historical Materialism, Electronics and Value" published online by the Institute for the Study of the Science of Society: http://www.scienceofsociety.org/inbox/res4.html (This appears to be a condensed version of a paper entitled "The End of Value" by Jim Davis which was presented at the 2000 'Rethinking Marxism' conference in Amherst, Mass.: http://scienceofsociety.org/discuss/eov.html ). The last section in the above article called "Value in the age of robots" has several paragraphs on *the "many ways" that value is destroyed*. Some of the many ways, it is asserted, include: * the use-value of labor-power is destroyed. * electronics-based production leads to a situation "where fewer people have the money to buy commodities". I.e. commodity values aren't realized. * "when a new product made by robots appears alongside the same product made with labor, the value in the old products is driven down to the level of the robot-made product -- its value is destroyed". * "As new labor-less forms of production become more widespread, the social infrastructure that was built to sustain industrial production is also destroyed as social investment is pulled out of the communities of former workers". -- Do others agree that the instances cited are cases where value has been 'destroyed'? -- Are the authors confused, e.g. are they confusing a change in the distribution of value with the destruction of value? -- Are the above assertions supported or contradicted by the empirical evidence? -- What are the legitimate senses in which we can refer to the destruction of value? (snip, JL)
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