From: Michael Eldred (artefact@T-ONLINE.DE)
Date: Sat May 17 2003 - 04:53:00 EDT
Cologne 17-May-2003 I don't know who's living in "imperialist countries". I asked Rakesh what he meant by empire and imperialism a while ago. My comment in my last post, "As they say these days, "Get real!", just like Aristotle got real with Plato two and a half thousand years ago." was directed at the phrase "dreams for a better world" used by Michael Lebowitz. I said, "The West has only just been getting over Christian Platonism during the last two centuries." _-_-_-_-_-_-_- artefact text and translation _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- made by art _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ http://www.webcom.com/artefact/ _-_-_-_-artefact@webcom.com _-_ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Dr Michael Eldred -_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ dashyaf@EASYNET.CO.UK schrieb Fri, 16 May 2003 18:48:49 +0100: > It is even more imperative that we defend Cuba when we live in > imperialist countries benefiting from the brutal exploitation of the > vast majority of humanity. The people who need to get real are those > who have not understood what is at stake for humanity at the present > time. Should the remarkable health care system, the education system > and the overall social gains of the Cuban revolution be put at stake > because 'liberals' in the imperialist countries cannot grasp that the > livelihood of 11 million Cuban people is threatened by the most brutal > and powerful imperialist power the world has seen. Do you want the > kind of developments that hit the Nicaraguans, the Haitians, the > Colombians to happen in Cuba? Do you want another Iraq, Yugoslavia > etc? Imperialism in crisis is brutal and barbaric - it has to be > fought and destroyed and the Cubans had every right to take the > measures they did to defend their revolution, to defend socialism, to > defend the Cuban people. What the Cubans have achieved despite the US > blockade shows what is possible for the vast majority of humanity, > without neo-liberalism, without capitalism. That is why imperialism > has to destroy Cuba, before the example of Cuba is taken up elsewhere. > > Anyone who compares the Moscow show trials to what has recently > happened in Cuba is simply spreading imperialist propaganda. Read > Castro's and Roque's very detailed explanation of the events before > you dismiss what happened in such a cavalier fashion. > > Thank you Hans for bringing the discussion down to reality. > > David Yaffe > > At 11:22 16/05/03 -0600, Hans Ehrbar wrote: > >> In the times of imperialist attack on Cuba I consider it the >> duty of every progressive either to support Cuba or, if you >> feel you cannot do this, to stay silent, because everything >> critical you say at this moment will be used as further >> pretext for the attacks on Cuba. The actions by the Cubans >> which you object to were undertaken as a defense against US >> attacks. We have to try to stop the imperialists, instead >> of second-guessing the actions Cuba is undertaking to defend >> itself. This seems so obvious to me that I am embarrassed >> to send it to this list. I am only saying it for the record >> so that people perusing the archives will not get a false >> impression. >> >> Hans. >
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