Re: [OPE-L] Chavez and Marxism

From: Paul Zarembka (zarembka@BUFFALO.EDU)
Date: Sun May 29 2005 - 08:45:31 EDT


Very interesting, Paul B.  I hadn't seen it.  The near last sentence is
rather revealing about Adan Chavez, "I have not finished it [Alan Wood's
book] yet, but my impression is that it is a rigorous Marxist analysis of
philosophy applied to nature."  This reads like a considerable sympathy
with Engels' *Dialectics of Nature*.

Question for Jerry: What does Marxism have to offer Venezuelans?  I mean
specifically Marxism, not anarchism, or revolution without taking power,
etc.  In other words, what -- for you -- distinguishes the Marxist
contribution from these others.  I know it's a tough question, but you
seem recently to be undermining a Marxist understanding rather than
building/using it.  (A Marxist understanding does not equal a Stalinist
understanding, so I'd prefer if you forget about Stalinist history in any
answer, and forget about "small Marxist cults" you mention in your last
posting -- altho this list could be called its own small cult of
Marxists.)

Paul Z.

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On Sat, 28 May 2005, Paul Bullock wrote:

> To Paul Z,
>
> Can I add that if you look at
> http://venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1426
>
> You will find an interview with Chavez's elder brother - a an avowed
> marxist - which gives some idea of the discussions that must have been going
> on between family and friends for years. The brother, I understand , was and
> is part of the group responsible for the furtherance of land reform, a
> committee that was given a severe dressing down by the President for its
> lack of progress at one point (ie threatened with the sack). This is another
> lesson in the fact that those who call themselves Marxists are in no sense
> automatically to be considered effective revolutionaries or even considered
> as such by others , whatever their own subjective view. ( This is
> particularly the case in academia in my experience) What is important is the
> deed. You will remember Marx's own quote from Goethe in Vol 1, apart from
> common sense!
>
> On a number of occasions. Lenin pointed out that ther enemies of the working
> class were forced to call themselves Marxists  even to get a hearing, such
> was the success of  Marx's work. So whatever politicians call themselves is
> not of any immediate importance. Chavez is involved in a form of
> revolutionary nationalism which is antagonistic to imperialism, and was seen
> as an enemy very soon by the US... it reminds me of the US Dept of State
> discussions very shortly after the Cuban revolution,  and the famous remark
> that.. 'Castro may not be a communist but he acts like one........'
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Bullock" <paulbullock@ebms-ltd.co.uk>
> To: "OPE-L" <OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [OPE-L] Chavez and Marxism
>
>
> > Paul,
> >
> >
> > Chavez has publicly referred to learning from Che - who was undoubtedly a
> > Marxist - and his period as a  government minister, his concept of the new
> > man etc in speeches.  Otherwise his references are to socialism or a new
> > kind etc, using the odd Trotsky quote, and so on. Any one with the
> standard
> > reactionary filling who hears any of this will deduce that Chavist is
> > 'becoming' a Marxist, by which they will mean that they now oppose him.
> >
> > What is important is the underlying class conflict that gives rise to the
> > use of , or rejection of, expressions.
> >
> > Paul B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Zarembka" <zarembka@BUFFALO.EDU>
> > To: <OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:33 PM
> > Subject: [OPE-L] Chavez and Marxism
> >
> >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > VNews has an article of last Monday at
> > http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=35312.  It begins:
> > >
> > >    "Let me begin by stressing that I believe wholeheartedly in President
> > Chavez and his Revolution ... but. I fear that by his invocation of
> > Marxism -- and by the occasional Marxist flavored comments which have
> > occasionally been made in this journal -- a great historical chance is
> being
> > jeopardized ... the chance to create a new kind of post Marxist socialism,
> > one based on decentralization, worker's cooperatives, and a truly moral
> and
> > spiritual, as opposed to coldly rationalist, historical materialist, road
> to
> > social justice."
> > >
> > > Afterwards there is no evidence offered that Chavez invokes Marxism.  Do
> > you know if he has and what he said?
> > >
> > > Paul Z.
> > >
> > >
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