Re: [OPE-L] marx's conception of labour

From: Paul Cockshott (wpc@DCS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Fri Nov 17 2006 - 05:43:54 EST 

 
Dogan
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Of course knew Smith and Marx that value of exchange existed in precapitalist societies too. No doubt about this. But unlike in precapitalist societies, in capitalist society it becomes a dominating category.  
 
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Paul C
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Ok I have no problem with that, it was just that your quote below led me to suspect that you might support the view that value is a purely capitalist category and that it did not exist in pre-capitalist societies. A number of list members have argued just that point in the past. 
 
In einer eMail vom 16.11.2006 23:58:38 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt wpc@DCS.GLA.AC.UK:

	

        In your article you also say:

        Deshalb erachtet Marx den Tauschwert als eine nur der kapitalistischen Produktionsweise eigentümliche Kategorie.

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        Therefore, Marx considers exchange value a category particular only the capitalistic mode of production.

         

        There has been extensive debate on this topic on the list over the years. I would tend to argue that Marx, certainly by the time he wrote his Notes on Wagner, considered 'exchange value' to be a category specific to 'commodity producing society', but that he distinguished between value as such and its form of appearance in commercial society as 'exchange value' or price. Exchange value however, as both Smith and Marx knew,  existed prior to capitalism, and value considered as socially necessary labour time, would persist after commodity production had been superceded - as is made clear in the Critique of the Gotha Program.

         

         

	
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        From: OPE-L [mailto:OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU] On Behalf Of Dogan Goecmen
        Sent: 16 November 2006 15:31
        To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
        Subject: Re: [OPE-L] marx's conception of labour

         

        In the article I use Lukacs' Ontology. Thank you for indicating to Carol Gould's work.

         

        Best

        Dogan

         

        In einer eMail vom 16.11.2006 16:26:18 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt bhandari@BERKELEY.EDU:

                        It refers to the projected aims of the concret work to be done. To build a house it must have been built in our heads and so on.

                         

                 

                I found Lukacs' discussion of labour and teleology in The Young Hegel very insightful.  Also quite interesting is Carol Gould's attempt to derive the basic notions of time (past present future) from the teleological nature of labour.  See her book on the Grundrisse.

                Sorry can't elaborate. just sharing notes.

                Rakesh

                 

                 

                        Cheers

                        Dogan

                         

                         

                        In einer eMail vom 16.11.2006 15:00:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt Gerald_A_Levy@MSN.COM:

                        >  I present first the general aspects of Marx's concept of labour:
                        > ontological, teleological and sociological.

                                 

                                 

                                Dogan:

                                 

                                What is the teleological aspect of Marx's concept of labour?

                                 

                                In solidarity, Jerry

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