From: Howard Engelskirchen (howarde@TWCNY.RR.COM)
Date: Thu Feb 01 2007 - 05:53:00 EST
Thanks, Rakesh. Reproducing the poverty of the worker is key. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rakesh Bhandari" <bhandari@BERKELEY.EDU> To: <OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [OPE-L] 3 crucial points? > >Hi Rakesh, > > > >The fact that something is mere form does not mean it is unnecessary or > >inert. Marx refers to law in some contexts as mere form, but it is a > >necessary constituent. Take some liquid. The container is likely to be > >mere form. But once in the container how you ship or store is usually > >determined. Also the form can relate back, e.g. for low priced wines there > >is apparently a greater risk of losing this or that case if you cap with a > >cork than with a faux cork. > > > >Anyway, here's Marx at the end of the third section of the Results, p. 1064 > >of the Penguin ed.: > > > >"It follows that two widely held views are in error: > > > >"There are firstly those who consider that wage labour, the sale of labour > >to the capitalist and hence the wage form, is something only superficially > >characteristic of capitalist production. It is, however, one of the > >essential mediating forms of capitalist relations of production, and one > >constantly reproduced by those relations themselves. > > > >"Secondly, there are those who regard this superficial relation, this > >essential formality, this deceptive appearance of capitalist relations as > >its true essence. They therefore imagine that they can give a true account > >of those relations by classifying both workers and capitalists as commodity > >owners. They thereby gloss over the essential nature of the relationship, > >extinguishing its differentia specifica." > > > >[italics omitted throughout] > Howard, here is how I understand the important two points. > Not only is capitalism incompatible with relations among independent > commodity producers, it is not even compatible with actual exchange > among commodity > owners. Exchange proves itself to be a deceptive appearance. See my last post. > Marx has shown moreover that the accumulation of capital reproduces > the poverty of the worker, i.e. > the labor fund remains in the hand of the capitalist and the worker depends on > its advancement in some form for her life. I agree with Banaji > however that the wage can > take multiple forms: the labor fund can be advanced in multiple ways. > > Rakesh > > > > > > > >Apologies to all for having sent an empty reply on the tribute to Guy Mhone. > > > >Howard > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rakesh Bhandari" <bhandari@BERKELEY.EDU> > >To: <OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:46 PM > >Subject: Re: [OPE-L] 3 crucial points? > > > > > >> > > >> Howard wrote: > >> > >> Hi Hans, > >> > > >> > Thanks for the reference! I looked back through Ch 23 and 24. I am > >> > always > >> > amazed at how Marx worked with his manuscripts. Invariably after > >> > laboriously working through and learning some point in the manuscripts > >one > >> > returns to Capital I and finds the point had already been made there > >quite > >> > clearly and had just never been noticed. Compare, for example, the last > >> > paragraph of the chapter on Simple Reproduction and the very first > >> > introductory paragraphs (still part of the outline) of the 'Results'. > >> > > >> > Without doubt the point you make is correct -- the exchange between > >labor > >> > and capital in circulation is form; the relation in production itself is > >> > content. Marx uses the concept of 'form' differently. 'Form > >> > determination' > >> > can show how the form of a thing just is its content (content has > >received > >> > form into itself, in the wording of his doctoral dissertation), but here > >> > there is a divorce between the two that mystifies and the derivation > >must > >> > be > >> > traced. > >> > > >> > But we still need to deal with the 'becomes': 'wird formell' = > >*becomes* > >> > formal. There I think the reference to the immediately preceding > >sentence > >> > of the passage clarifies the meaning. The process of production in any > >> > form > >> > requires joining the direct producer to the means of production. The > >only > >> > content the relation between capital and labor can have is as joined in > >> > the > >> > process of production. The relation between capital and labor in > >> > circulation is formal as compared to that. But where an independent > > > > individual produces as part of the social division of labor, then there > >is > >> > an immediate unity between the direct producer and the conditions of > >> > production. Capitalist production destroys production on this basis and > >> > therefore the relation between labor and its conditions first manifested > >> > in > >> > exchange *becomes* formal. That is, where an individual produces > >> > independently, the relation between labor and its conditions is not > >> > formal. > >> Marx is saying that at first the capitalist exchanges money (amassed in > >some > >> sordid way) for labor power but that under repeated exchanges the > >> relation becomes > >> one of appropriation as the initial capital has been consumed and the > >> capitalist > >> "exchanges" only what he has already appropriated or taken without > >> equivalent from > >> labor power. That is, under quantitative pressure as per dialectics > >> the relation is now only formally one of exchange and substantively one of > >> appropriation > >> or more precisely wage slavery, i.e. the opposite of an exchange > >> relationship. > >> I don't think any other economic theory builds dialectical materialism > >> into its very structure. > >> But if exchange is only a semblance or has only formal existence, then in > >> what way > >> could it possibly be a necessary constituent of the capital relation or > >> the capitalist mode of production? > >> Rakesh > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Rakesh, it seems to me considerations of that sort answer your two > >> > questions. Of course the exchange between capital and labor in > >> > circulation > >> > is essential to the capital relationship and to the capitalist mode of > >> > production. We could only say that it wasn't by ignoring precisely the > >> > social form of capitalist production and treating it as immediately the > >> > labor process in general. > >> > > >> > Howard > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "ehrbar" <ehrbar@LISTS.ECON.UTAH.EDU> > >> > To: <OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:53 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [OPE-L] 3 crucial points? > >> > > >> > > >> >> Howard, > >> >> > >> >> it seems the Penguin translation is wrong here. > >> >> > >> >> A good explanation why the exchange between laborer > >> >> and capitalist is only "formal" can be found in chapter 24, > >> >> Penguin edition pp 729/30. Here is the translation as I > >> >> have it in my Annotations: > >> >> > >> >> The exchange of equivalents, the original operation with which we > >> >> started, has now become turned round in such a way that only the mere > >> >> semblance of exchange remains. This is owing to the fact, first, > >> >> that the capital which is exchanged for labor-power is itself but a > >> >> portion of the product of others' labor appropriated without an > >> >> equivalent; and, secondly, that this capital must not only be > >> >> replaced by its producer, but replaced together with an added > >> >> surplus. The relation of exchange between capitalist and laborer > >> >> becomes a mere semblance appertaining to the process of circulation, > >> >> a mere form which is foreign to the content itself {730} only > >> >> mystifies it. The ever repeated purchase and sale of labor-power is > >> >> now the mere form; what really takes place is this---the capitalist > >> >> first appropriates, without equivalent, a portion of the materialised > >> >> labor of others, and then exchanges a part of it for a greater > >> >> quantity of living labor. > >> >> > >> >> In "Resultate", Marx says similar things too, for instance he says > >> >> that capitalist and laborer "sich scheinbar als *Warenbesitzer* > >> >> gegenuebertreten" ("scheinbar" means that this is what it looks like, > >> >> this is the form it takes, but this is not what is really the case). > >> >> Maybe one could translate it as: they confront each other as commodity > >> >> owners only in semblance. Again the Penguin translation as "each > >> >> confronts the other apparently on equal terms as the owner of a > >> >> commodity" got the "apparently" wrong and added a phantasy "on equal > >> >> terms" which cannot be found anywhere in the German (MEGA II/4.1, > >> >> p. 64) > >> >> > >> >> Hans. > >> >
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