From: Dogan Goecmen (dogangoecmen@AOL.COM)
Date: Mon Feb 05 2007 - 05:57:42 EST
Hi Rakesh, nice to have you back. I read your mails with great interest. To your question: Marx and Engels (and Lenin and Rosa Luxemburg) use the idea of invisible hand in many ways in their explanation of market relations. often in a descriptive and sometimes in a critical sense. Engels uses it also in a positive, that is, in a normative sense to explain that individuals plans to manage their everydays lives end always somewhere else than planed. Best, Dogan -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: bhandari@BERKELEY.EDU An: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Verschickt: So., 4.Feb.2007, 17:26 Thema: [OPE-L] Marx's 3 invisible hands Just a quick question about the invisible hand to Dogan and others How many are there in Marx? I know that 2 was mentioned in the discussion; don't remember 1 and 3. 1.Through competitive self interest the capitalists as a whole reduce the unit value of wage goods and thereby allow for the 'beneficient' result of rising relative surplus value. 2. Through attempts to earn extra surplus value capitalists create over time a pattern of a falling profit rate and a general crisis--a malignant invisible hand. 3. In the pursuit of profit capitalists MUST create as if led by invisible hand the possibility and necessity a higher mode of production, though it can be achieved only through the visible hand of class struggle! I know that Dogan has had an interesting discussion with others about Marx's understanding of unintended consequences and invisible hand. I was wondering whether other invisible hand arguments were mentioned. To Paulo, I am thinking about your very interesting response. Rakesh
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