From: Paul Cockshott (wpc@DCS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Sun Jul 15 2007 - 17:23:29 EDT
One has to bear in mind just how fruitful formal logic has been in shaping our world. Without the 20th century advances in formal logic this mailing list could not exist. Paul Cockshott www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc -----Original Message----- From: OPE-L on behalf of Andrew Brown Sent: Sun 7/15/2007 9:21 PM To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Re: [OPE-L] Ajit Sinha and equality versus equivalence Sorry, time pressures are acute but just time to reply: (1) In short SNLT is the only scalar 'cost' that is both general and social. It is the only scalar therefore that could avoid social collaspse, under the perverse conditions where a mere scalar is directing production. My position is not unlike Claus's. In response to your question to Claus, these perverse conditions are those of capitalism not of mythical simple commodity production. (2) It is wrong to create a dualism of explanatory power vs logical proof as opposing criteria of justification. At the heart of the issue is the question of what is 'logic'. The fact we think that logic it is 'formal logic' is largely a product of logical postivistis and those from whom they drew (e.g. Russel, Hume). This is a central issue for dialetical logic. Best wishes Andy ________________________________ From: OPE-L on behalf of Fred Moseley Sent: Fri 7/13/2007 2:58 AM To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Re: [OPE-L] Ajit Sinha and equality versus equivalence Quoting Andrew Brown <A.Brown@LUBS.LEEDS.AC.UK>: > Paul, > > I think you are right except for your last point. Logically, society > would certainly collapse if the underlying scalar were not > labour-time. This 'logic' stems from a characterisation of the nature > of human society, not something that formal logic recognises but that > is so much the worse for formal logic. > > Andy Hi Andy, I think this is an assertion, with good reason, but not a logical proof. Society would certainly collapse if there were no labor, but an argument has to be made as to why society would collapse if the underlying scalar were not labor. Why does human society require labor as the underlying scalar? Thanks. Comradely, Fred ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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