Re: [OPE-L] Lawrence Krader on objective and subjective value

From: Ian Hunt (ian.hunt@FLINDERS.EDU.AU)
Date: Tue Nov 13 2007 - 01:31:10 EST


I am not sure I follow all of your 'editorializing'.  I give an
account of dialectical connection (a bit like Ollman's, I guess, but
also sharing something in common with Levin and Lewontin - the
original version of "The Dialectical Biologist" came out in 1985, I
suppose the new one is revised) in Ch 4 of my book "Analytical and
Dialectical Marxism",
Cheers,
Ian

>Oh just some editorializing...
>
>>>I am just raising the hoary question of what role  Marx's specific
>>>understanding of dialectic (logical and historical) and especially
>>>contradiction play in or distinguish his theory.
>>It seems that you are saying a very important one, no?
>>Well, yes.
>>Cheers,
>>Ian
>
>My hero Grossman downplayed influence of Hegel on Marx in 1943,
>saying that Marx's understanding of the historical dialectic depended
>on Condorcet, Sismondi, Jones. Though if I remember correctly there
>may be a favorable and hidden footnote on the importance of Hegel's
>logic for Marx's categorial analysis. And there is that fabulous,
>key, perhaps though not coherent quote in which Marx says that JS
>Mill, comfortable with logical contradictions, is at bay with real
>dialectical contradiction whose source is Hegel.
>
>And certainly when Grossman in 1941 insists that Marx did not
>complete but actually revolutionized Ricardo's value theory, he seems
>to suggest (with nowhere the clarity of Ilyenkov who himself is vague
>often enough) the importance of Marx's ability to grasp the unity of
>opposites--in the commodity itself and as externalized in the value
>form, in the accumulation process as a unity of technical and value
>processes, in the opposite use value and unit value effects of rising
>productivity.
>
>To put it roughly would you say your sense of dialectical logic is
>close to Levins and Lewontin's (just ordered their new book from
>Monthly Review)?
>Lukacs would of course put emphasis inter alia on Marx's ability to
>theorize capitalism as a totality, in terms of  carefully specified
>connections or what (according to Chris Arthur) Ollman would call
>inner-action among parts.
>
>Marx himself put great emphasis on the aesthetic wholeness of
>Capital, as I have underlined in discussion with Fred. I think he
>means here not only the exhaustive specification of the parts of the
>totality (a pure and idealized bourgeois mode of production) and
>their interconnections as spelled out in a layered way but the
>dramatic history he gave of this totality (the drama of its origins,
>rise and fall--such a drama contrasted here to episodic histories of
>parts, which Foucault would do much to resurrect the respectability
>of).
>
>The drama however is a fictional one. Society is not the capitalist
>totality, and the parts specified were either not necessary
>(commodity money) or  exhaustive (missing book on the state?market in
>govt debt? limited liability corporation?).
>
>And Marx may or may have abstracted from the background of the world
>market. I don't think so (as I, along with Kenneth Lapides, do think
>Marx more or less finished the book he intended to write after he
>dumped the six book plan), but most people (Michael Heinrich
>prominently) on this list do think Marx did abstract away from the
>world market.
>
>But one can say the method of analyzing the totality remains
>defensible? Of course one could say that and say that there is
>nothing specifically Marxist about such a method.
>
>But the most important point: Rick Kuhn won the Deutscher prize for
>his marvelous book on Grossman.
>
>Rakesh


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