From: Anders Ekeland (anders.ekeland@online.no)
Date: Mon Feb 11 2008 - 17:17:07 EST
Hi Jurriaan! Regarding "catastrophes" on the left, there is a lot to say, but later. Could you give me/us a link to where Cockburn discusses the natural science base for the claim that the warming we experience is *not* man made. Because the man-made character of the global warming seems to me to be a rather established fact, and all the talk about sun-spots etc. has been refuted AFAICS. Especially since there for a very long time exists a rather straight forward theory of how global warming comes about I am interested in what Cockburn has to say - I hope he is not just repeating Lomborg. Regards Anders At 20:15 11.02.2008, you wrote: >Well I wouldn't put it like Alex Cockburn, because I am not him, but >I agree with the bit about catastrophism. My experience is that if >you get obsessed with catastrophes, you will get them and more. >There's been times I have been enormously worried about things and I >got every bit that I worried about confirmed and realized. > >That is what this is about, really, what do we focus attention on, >and why? Sometimes these days when I survey what preoccupies people >I think either the world is going nuts or I am going nuts, or both, >and basically I end up thinking that, whereas I like to have an open >mind, I don't want to let my brains fall out, and I would rather not >pay attention to certain things. > >I was introduced to environmental issues as a problem of society at >about age 11, both at school and at home in the Netherlands. My >father had got himself a white Austin, and the incinerator tower of >the hospital down the road would rain down soot which ate itself >into the paintwork of the car, which was clearly visible as it was a >white car. That set me thinking, young as I was. Lateron I >campaigned against nuclear power stations in New Zealand, the >campaign was successful and I remember thinking, it's amazing, you >can actually succeed in a political campaign. In 1978 I joined the >first Green political party I know of in the world, it was the New >Zealand Values Party. But around that time, the "zero-growth >society" was practically reached in NZ, and the real concern people >had was about jobs. The Party fell apart, and I went further to the >Left, I discovered people like Andre Gorz, Harry Rothman and Barry >Commoner etc. at varsity where you could plug into recent thinking. >The party leader resigned, and became a banker. > >Looking back now, I would estimate that the total scale of >ecological problems in the world has increased by a factor of at >least 200% or 300%. That's deeply depressing if you probe into it, >but it also made me think a lot more about why that is. After all, >there were an enormous amount of people putting a lot of energy into >increasing public awareness and devising alternative policies all >the time. But nevertheless... Being rather clueless in those days, >Marx gave me a lot of clues real quick, especially about "material >interests" and the politics of social classes. Of course, Marx could >hardly imagine the way the world is now, but his feel for the >essential tendencies of world history was pretty damn good. > >But anyway the nightmarish thing is if you feel that you start >reproducing the problems you diagnosed in the world, with a spirit >of free inquiry, in your own personal life. In that case I reckon >I've really lost the plot, like, I should be taking better care of >my own setup. But beyond that it seems to me that I'm not the only >one who experiences this problem, and intuitively I think this is >precisely where I ought to seek the solution, thinking critically >through it and verifying things for myself. As Marx recognised early >on in his life, if you are capable of framing a problem, a solution >is usually available, if you are attentive to the way the problems >are actually framed (they could be framed in a distorted, convoluted >or upside down way). But for the purpose of recognizing a solution, >catastrophism is a distraction, and there I agree definitely with Cockburn. > >Jurriaan >_______________________________________________ >ope mailing list >ope@lists.csuchico.edu >https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/ope _______________________________________________ ope mailing list ope@lists.csuchico.edu https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/ope
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