From: Ian Wright (wrighti@acm.org)
Date: Thu Apr 03 2008 - 16:29:32 EDT
> All aspects of social relations of production can not be > be expressed as 'calculi'. That is, in part, because there > are essential aspects of those relations which can not > be expressed as *magnitude* and are > comprehensable merely through formal/mathematical calculi. > > How, for instance, is the changing 'balance of power' > among (and within) contending classes under capitalism calculated? > If class struggle is calculi, can't it (at least in principle) be > expressed as a quantitative *formula*? I can understand how it seems to require an enormous imaginative leap to accept the possibility that *all* phenomena, whether physical, mental or social, are in fact manifestations of the same underlying substance subject to the very same abstract and general laws. But this kind of imaginative leap is also what is required to understand the ontological premise of the concept of "dialectic". Computer programs are specified in a language. It is a kind of talking. Numerical computations, or "calculi", are merely one kind of process that can be instantiated. More generally computer programs are symbol processing systems, which can represent all kinds of qualitative information. Indeed, the concept of a real number, which is part of the foundation of Newton and Liebniz's "calculi", turns out to be quite challenging to properly represent in computational terms. So computation is not really about computers, and it is also not really about numbers. For example, you are forced to represent real numbers as a list of "qualities" (that is, a set of physical states), and their properties arise from rules that manipulate those qualities; that is, quantity derives from quality. My motive in raising computation vs. dialectics, or computation and dialectics, is based on my belief that the theory of computation is the modern manifestation of the "dialectic", or what those thinkers, such as Leibniz, Spinoza, Hegel and Marx and Engels were trying to grasp. The theory of computation is, in my view, a better theory of the "dialectic" than those previous attempts. _______________________________________________ ope mailing list ope@lists.csuchico.edu https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/ope
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