Re: [OPE] Recent serious theoretical discussions: reply to Dogan

From: dogangoecmen@aol.com
Date: Fri Apr 04 2008 - 10:50:23 EDT


 Jerry,

the difference between your statement and the one of Jurriaan seems to me to be clear. 
If I am wrong he can correct me.


 


 Dogan


-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- 
Von: GERALD LEVY <gerald_a_levy@msn.com>
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Verschickt: Fr., 4. Apr. 2008, 16:39
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you say:
"It's not "nonsense": what Jurriaan is saying above is , I think, is
an important and valid historical  observation - namely, that bureaucracies
- and all sorts of atrocities - have been rationalized with reference
to the language of 'dialectics'. You say it has been misused."
Jurriaan says:
Thus, this "dialectical totality" is merely the philosophical justification and rationalization of bureaucratic power. It is a sad thing when modern Marxists succumb to the same nonsense - and I say this as someone with a lengthy experience of bureaucratic absurdities.
These are entirely different statements. People may misuse anything you may think it is safe. <snip>
Dialectical concept of totality is an epistemological concept and means to grasp something you have to take it in all its dimensions and relations (external ans internal). 


 


 


Hi Dogan:


 


I think you are simply mis-reading what Jurriaan has written.


If you look at his para as a whole, you will see that his 


objection concerns the "discoursing" about dialectics 


by repressive bureaucracies, i.e. that they have historically


(mis-) used the language of  dialectics as a rationalization 


for their policies.  In the extract above from that paragraph, 


please note that Jurriaan went out of his way to put "dialectical 


totality" in quotation marks.


 


In solidarity, Jerry

=


 





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