RE: [OPE] The Crisis of the Euro

Dogan I am involved in an intiative in south america to respond to the crisis
http://www.socialismoxxi.org/
I wonder if there is a chance to get a similar EU initiative. I enclose the modified version of the talk I will give, only partially translated into spanish so far.
 
Paul Cockshott
Dept of Computing Science
University of Glasgow
+44 141 330 1629
www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/

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I guess this relates to all treats we are currently having. But I put it here to support Paul B's statement below. It is a quote from German Chancellor Angela Merkel's new year address. The speech as a whole seems to be not translated yet. Since I have very limited time I will try to translate only one passage. It would have been however very interesting to analyse the whole speech to get a meaning of what bourgeois politicians in the face of world economic crisis try to do:

"Meine Devise ist: Wir wollen die Auswirkungen der weltweiten Finanzkrise nicht einfach überstehen. Wir wollen stärker aus ihr herausgehen, als wir hineingekommen sind. Das geht, das können wir gemeinsam schaffen!" (http://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/nn_5296/Content/DE/Rede/2008/12/2008-12-31-merkel-neujahrsansprache.html)

"My motto is: we do not want simply survive the effects of world-wide financial crisis. We want to come out of it stronger than we went into it. This is possible, we can make it together!"

Similar statements about the question to how to handle the crisis have been made by various other leading politicians and figures from industrial and economic organisations. What is interesting about this statement is that it clearly states what means and way(s) German burgeois politicians are going apply to handle the crisis. The underlying principle in this quotation is that of expansion. Roland Koch, another leading politician from Merkel's party CDU, was more open and said we must enclose new market segments when we come out of the crisis. Now as the world markets are already distributed among imperialist countries this is a clear statement for a redistribution. Mr. Obama's recovery-plan indicates in the same direction. So we may assume that the competition (economic, political, military technological etc.) among imperialist countries is going to sharpen. The question for working classes and socialist movement is how to overcome this situation before it comes to the situation that war between imperialist forces becomes continuation of politics with other means.
Cheers,
Dogan

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From: paul bullock <paulbullock@ebms-ltd.co.uk>
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Dave,
 
given your enthusiasm for Rosa ( which we all share I imagine) i'm a bit suprised that you say you are slowly trying to read up on imperialism......although such an honest st aement does reflect the peculiarly common position amongst left 'economists'....
 
. anyway, I wanted to say that 'accusations' of fascism were not inaccurate in the cases of Mussolini's Italy, Nazi Germany and Japan during the second inter-imperalist world slaughter.... so I guess you are worried about the use of the term in the case of ....... USA? UK? France? ... When imperialist states become more seriously debilitated by economic crisis then it is clear that the use of violence by the state against the working class, and the removal of democratic rights is typical. If we take it that inter imperialist rivalry, whatever its particular forms, will deepen as the struggle for markets and materials deepens, then the political definition of fascism will in fact become more appropriate for such states. This is not to be pessimistic about the role of the working class must take on, but a reflection on the lesson of modern history. With respect to 'leftists'... well we don't live in a world where emmotions and reactions are all concisely expressed by a universal standard use of words....and that is no excuse for understanding and demonstrating the fact of imperialism.
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Zachariah" <davez@kth.se>
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> paul bullock wrote:
>> You are quite right, that there seems to be an absolute fear of >> discussing imperialism by many in the acedemic/socialist/ heterodox etc >> area... which if one compares the open investigation of the subject by >> classical liberals at the turn of the 20th century eg Hobson, or >> Schumpeter , is quite striking.
>
> I'm slowly trying to read up on the topic of imperialism. But my > impression is that it is not a discussion that is 'feared' among left-wing > intellectuals but rather imperialism after de-colonisation of most of the > world was a lot harder to comprehend and analyse than in the days of > Hobson and Lenin. The political and economic dominance of the US in the > world has operated quite differently than the British state during its > peak.
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> Moreover, I think 'imperialism' as a concept has lost its accuracy by > misuse by leftists. C.f. the accusations of 'fascist'.
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> //Dave Z
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