Re: [OPE] One party state?

Check the facts and see how many non-members of the communist party were
elected. Although why this has to be important I am not sure. The figures
are available and given your obvious prejudices I will leave you to find them.

David

At 18:47 03/06/2009 +0000, you wrote:

>The first step toward the Cuban assembly is the nomination by grass roots
>and mass organizations. Those nominated have to be voted in order to
>become *delegados de base* (grass-roots delegates). And here is the first
>flaw in the Cuban one-party system, i.e., since the communist party is the
>only with an organized platform to mobilize voters, the majority elected
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>Nevertheless, it is theoretically possible to sneak a dissident in. So,
>can a dissident delegate reach the Cuban assembly? The answer lies in
>those entitled to select among grass-root delegates, who will become
>candidates to the assembly that finally will be voted by people.
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>Those entitled are gathered in *Comisiones de Candidatura* (Candidature
>Commissions) and here is the second flaw in the Cuban system, i.e., the
>persons who fill these commissions are members of communists organizations
>that follow the party line.
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>It is virtually impossible for a dissident to defeat Candidature
>Commissions. Can Cuban system be considered democratic? Of course not!
>That’s why Fidel was elected as president in all elections after his
>retirement. The non-democratic secret lies in party members and
>sympathizers selecting the appropriate candidates for the assembly.
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>So yes! Maybe Jurriaan is right. <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />USA and Cuba might have
>much more in common than David can see.
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>Regards,
>A. Agafonow
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>De: "david@danyaf.plus.com" <david@danyaf.plus.com>
>Para: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <ope@lists.csuchico.edu>
>Enviado: miércoles, 3 de junio, 2009 14:20:39
>Asunto: Re: [OPE] One party state?
>
>The difference is quite simple for anyone with a modicum of knowledge re
>Cuba. The two systems have very little in common other than that voting
>takes place in both systems.
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>There are two parties, sometimes more, but realistically two, standing for
>the elections in the US. You have to have millions of dollars to seriously
>compete in those elections. A very large number of people do not vote, in
>some recent elections they have been a majority. You could call the US a
>plutocracy - rule by the very wealthy in the interests of corporate capital.
>
>In Cuba the party does not stand in elections. It is not an election
>concerning parties. People are nominated by the grass roots and mass
>organisations, not by parties. Money plays no role in the election. This
>applies to everyone including leading Communist Party members, who have
>to be initially nominated at grass roots level. More than 90% of people vote.
>
>I believe that Cuba has potentially the most democratic system in the
>world. It is a complex system and cannot be neatly categorised in the way
>Jurriaan attempts to do this.
>
>David Yaffe
>
>At 23:39 02/06/2009 +0200, you wrote:
>>Secretary of State Hilary Clinton was quoted by the BBC as saying that
>>Cuba's readmission to the OAS would be conditional on "democratic
>>reforms" in Cuba's one-party state, but the BBC also said that the US
>>might be "outvoted".
>>
>>My musing is: isn't the US itself pretty much a one-party state these
>>days? The Republican Party has more or less collapsed and what remains of
>>its leadership has been to a considerable extent integrated in the
>>government apparatus, Mr Obama being careful to retain a workable degree
>>of unity in the political class.
>>
>>What would be the substantive difference, in real terms, between the
>>governmental systems of Cuba and the US, from the viewpoint of Joe
>>Average? Maybe there are differences, but they may have much more in
>>common than you would think!
>>
>>Jurriaan
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