Re: [OPE] The state under capitalism

From: Paul Cockshott <>
Date: Sat Aug 14 2010 - 11:01:14 EDT

Was the problem there lack of money or an inadequate transport system to marketise the full agricultural surplus?
My guess would be the later.

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From: "howard engelskirchen" <>
Subject: Re: [OPE] The state under capitalism
Date: 14th August 2010
Time: 3:05:38 pm

Hello Dave and Paul,

Both of you challenge my reference to Marx's example "that the Roman Empire
twice failed in its attempt to levy all contributions in money" (I.3.3.b
[means of payment]). See also III.47.4 (money rent). I'm missing
something. The determination of possbility by structure is nicely developed
in both places.


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From: "Dave Zachariah" <>
To: "Outline on Political Economy mailing list" <>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OPE] The state under capitalism

> On 2010-08-14 06:27, howard engelskirchen wrote:
>> Just because different social systems
>> both have a kind of bureaucracy doesn't mean they can be tracked to the
>> same
>> structural root. And the same would be true, as you emphasize, for
>> taxes.
> Agreed.
>> Marx's point about collecting taxes in money is relevant. Where there
>> isn't enough money in circulation, you can try, but it won't work. When
>> it becomes possible its not because of an evolution of tax or coercive
>> structures in place.
> I think this notion of 'not enough money' could be quite misleading. The
> state cannot run out of money, only its capacity to extract taxes with
> the capitalist sector intact.
> //Dave Z
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