Re: [OPE] debates on whether value existed in pre-capitalist society

From: howard engelskirchen <he31@verizon.net>
Date: Thu Sep 02 2010 - 19:57:52 EDT

Hi Jerry,

I've read the first sentence, am familiar with the cathecism, and the simple
commodity mode of production is a red herring that has nothing to do with
the argument I've given.

No doubt you have read quickly. When you have time tell me how it is what
you quote of my post does not embrace and include the social form described
in your second sentence:

>> the social relation that gives rise to value, its
>> H2O comparable configuration, is a social structure constituted by
>> independent producers who produce independently for private exchange;
>> they
>> produce use values that are to them useless.
>
>
> Hi Howard:
>
> Not that alone. Production for exchange can take place in a moneyless,
> barter-based mode of production.

howard

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From: "GERALD LEVY" <gerald_a_levy@msn.com>
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Subject: Re: [OPE] debates on whether value existed in pre-capitalist
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>
>
>> the social relation that gives rise to value, its
>> H2O comparable configuration, is a social structure constituted by
>> independent producers who produce independently for private exchange;
>> they
>> produce use values that are to them useless.
>
>
> Hi Howard:
>
> Not that alone. Production for exchange can take place in a moneyless,
> barter-based mode of production.
>
>> See section 2 of Capital's first chapter.
>
>
> He was systematically 'unpacking' a theory; one section can't be read in
> isolation
> from its connected sections. Hence, the confusions about 'simple commodity
> production' and whether the subject of the book from its very opening
> (indeed, its first sentence) was capitalism.
>
>
> In solidarity, Jerry
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