A brief reply to Paul C's ope-l 2528.
Paul argues that, under private-property capitalism, "production for
 production's sake" does not occur.   Production "is not an end in itself
 but ... a means to an end, - the appropriation of private profit."  I
 suggest that Paul is confusing the motives of individual firms with the
 driving motive of the capitalist system as such.  The latter was what I
 was talking about.  The former is a superficial form of appearance of
 the latter.  
To understand this, ask *why* firms desire the most "private" profit (BTW,
 what does "private" have to do with anything?).  Is it to meet the 
consumption needs of the shareholders (or managers, etc.)?  Or are they
 *forced* by something outside them to seek the highest profit rate in order
 to survive and thus to continue to personify capital?  I think it is the
 latter--firms that fail to plugh back enough profit will go under, just as
 much as those that fail to receive it in the first place.  So they are
 forced to accumulate.  But for what reason?  To expand consumption?  No,
 Marx's schema of expanded reproduction show that accumulation occurs through
 the increase in production in Department I destined for Department I (Ic
 is an increasing share of the value of the total social capital).  This is,
 precisely, production for production's sake.  Consideration of mechanization
 makes this more true.
This is why Marx's reference to "Moses and the prophets" refers not only to
 "accumulation for the sake of accumulation," but also "production for the
 sake of production."
Now, of course, Paul is right that production doesn't rise on a smooth
 expontential path.  For whatever reasons (and I think reduced expectations
 of profit is less significant than Paul does), they often cut back on 
production.  But, first of all, by cutting back on production they are also
 cutting back on profits, so this proves nothing.  Second of all, to say that
 the motive force of capitalism is production for production's sake is *not*
 to say that this motive force is not self-contradictory.  Precisely because
 the motive is production of *value*, wealth in the *abstract*, not concrete
 products for consumption, capitalist production is self-limiting.  Capitals
 are compelled to raise productivity and to mechanize, but this leads to the
 relative decline in new value, from living labor, as against old value,
 embodied in means of production (and gold, etc.).  And this leads to crises,
 as I discussed in my recent reply to Duncan.
Note that if the motive of production were to be the satisfaction of any
 limited needs, such as consumption, as was characteristic of pre-capitalist
 societies, there would be no compulsion continually to raise productivity,
 to expand production, and so forth.  It is the production of wealth that
 is not limited by its concrete forms, and thus not limited quantitatively,
 i.e., the production of abstract wealth for the sake of abstract wealth,
 that leads to the ceaselessness of the drive to extract surplus-labor.
  And as I noted, the drive to expand production for its own sake (not to
 satisfy human needs) and to extract more and more surplus-labor characterized
 the "USSR" just as much as it characterizes capitalism in its private-
property form.
Andrew Kliman