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Andrew:
Workers actually advance their labor to capital, as you've recently noted.
They are paid *after* doing the work and because they did the work. If they
do not work, they will not get paid, so their v will equal zero. Yet
capitalists incur repression costs.
When workers go on strike, they do not get paid. Their v = 0 to the firms
against which they strike. Yet capitalists very willingly incur costs in
order to prevent the strikes and break the strikes.
Paul:
This is absurd, there is no v=0 when they are on strike because they are
not working, not employed and there is thus not c, v, or s either as production
is not going on. Employers resist strikes because they want to hold wages down
when the workers go back to work, because v is, under those circumstance
> 0.
I took a poll. I asked whether, if one didn't like the nature of the work,
and one wasn't going to be compensated now or in the future, one would do any
work if one wasn't forced to do so. 1000f the sample answered no. A
typical reaction was that I must have been asking a trick question, because
the answer was so obvious.
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Paul:
This is why your whole idea of v=0 is so ridiculous, it supposes that workers
can get free lunches to live off.
If they could get free lunches, going to work for nothing is not ridiculous, as
the number of voluntary institutions that are kept going by people with either
a private income or a retirement income indicates. Oxfam dont have to repress
their volunteers, but the charities they work for are non-profit. The assumption
that workers in the capitalist sector will work for nothing and could survive whilst
doing so is absurd.
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