1.  I have argued that Marx had a consistent interpretation of 
the valuation of constant capital in terms of current costs.  This 
consistent valuation in terms of constant costs applies both to 
the stock and to the flow of constant capital and also applies 
both to the case of technological change and to the case of a 
change in the value of money.  I will leave aside for now the 
question of whether "current costs" refer to the beginning or 
the end of the current period.  The main point for now is that 
constant capital is definitely NOT valued at historical cost in 
Marx's theory, in the cases of either technological change or a 
change in the value of money.  Marx always assumed that 
constant capital is valued at current costs, not at historical 
costs.  
I have presented substantial textual evidence to support this 
interpretation, including in OPEL 3507 which I have just 
reposted.   Andrew seems to agree that Marx SOMETIMES did 
assume that the stock of constant capital is valued at current 
costs.  Indeed, given all the textual evidence, who could deny 
this?
2.  However, Andrew argues that Marx did not have one 
general assumption regarding the valuation of the stock of 
constant capital, but instead had different interpretations for 
different purposes.  Even though Marx assumed that constant 
capital is valued in constant capital in the passages I have 
quoted, Andrew argues that, FOR OTHER PURPOSES, Marx 
assumed (at least in the case of technological change; I am still 
not sure how Andrew interprets the case of a change in the 
value of money), that the stock of constant capital is valued in 
historical costs.  (Although, as I understand Andrew, the flow 
of constant capital continues to be valued in current costs, thus 
resulting in an inconsistency not present in Marx¹s theory 
between the valuation of the stock and the flow of constant 
capital.)
The all-important example of this different assumption 
regarding the valuation of the stock of constant capital in the 
case of technological change, according to Andrew, is of course 
the "falling rate of profit."
Now it seems to me highly unlikely that Marx would assume in 
some cases that technological change results in a revaluation of 
constant capital, but then when he comes to the crucial 
question of the falling rate of profit (which is of course about 
the effect of technological change on the rate of profit), that he 
would make the opposite assumption that the stock of constant 
capital is not revalued.  Marx certainly never explicitly said 
that, for the specific purpose of the theory of the falling rate of 
profit, he was no longer assuming that technological change 
resulted in a revaluation of the stock of constant capital, but 
was instead making the opposite assumption (but continuing to 
assume that the flow of constant capital is revalued in constant 
costs!).  But let's review Andrew's textual evidence.
3.  Andrew presents three passages as textual evidence to 
support his interpretation that in Marx's theory of the falling 
rate of profit the stock of constant capital (the denominator in 
the rate of profit) is valued in historical costs. 
I will first discuss a passage from Section 3 of Chapter 14 of 
Vol. 3 (on "cheapening of the elements of constant capital").  
This passage is especially important because it is an explicit 
discussionof the effect of technological change on the value of 
constant capital, as related to the falling rate of profit.  Andrew's
passage is the following part of a sentence:
     	...  ³the depreciation of the existing capital (that is,
	of its material elements) ...
Andrew then emphasizes Marx's parenthetical remark:
	Now, why the parenthetical remark?  Is it not to make 
	clear that the means of production, the material elements of
	capital, can be cheapened, although the sum of value already
	advanced cannot?
So, Andrew's argument seems to be that Marx's parenthetical 
remark indicates that Marx is assuming here that technological 
change will change the value of the existing means of 
production, but will not change the value of the existing 
constant capital.  Indeed, Andrew suggests further that the title 
of this Section 3 ("cheapening of the elements of constant 
capital") also refers only to changes to the value of the means 
of production (the "ELEMENTS of constant capital") and does not 
refer to changes in the value of the constant capital itself, and 
hence that this section is only about the cheapening of the 
means of production and is not about cheapening of constant 
capital.
But if Andrew's interpretation is correct, then how could this 
cheapening of the means of production (but not the constant 
capital) be a "countertendency" to the fall in the rate of profit? 
(Chapter 14 is of course about "counteracting factors".)  Why is 
this "cheapening" (that does not affect the constant capital) 
included in a list of the countertendencies to the falling rate of 
profit?   "Cheapening" can be a countertendency only if it refers 
to the constant capital, the denominator in the rate of profit.  If 
³cheapening" does not affect the constant capital (but only the 
value of the means of production), then it cannot affect the rate 
of profit as a "countertendency".
Further evidence that "cheapening" in Section 3 means a 
reduction in the value of the constant capital - both new 
constant capital and the existing constant capital - is  provided 
by a reexamination of this section.  In the first place, the first 
sentence in this section explicitly links this section with Marx's 
earlier discussion of how CHANGES IN THE VALUE OF CONSTANT CAPITAL 
affect the rate of profit in Part 1 of Vol. 3 (Chapter 6 in particular):
	Everything is relevant here that has been said in Part One 
	of this volume about causes that raise the rate of profit 
	while the rate of surplus-value remains constant, or at least 
	independently of the latter.  
I have discussed in OPEL 3507 (Section A.2) a number of 
passages from Chapter 6 which clearly state that the value of 
constant capital is revalued as a result of technological change 
and other factors that change the value of the means of 
production.  These passages will be briefly reviewed below in 
#4.  
Therefore, with this explicit link, it would appear that if 
Chapter 6 is about how CHANGES IN THE VALUE OF CONSTANT 
CAPITAL (not just changes in the value of the means of 
production) and how these changes in constant capital affect 
the rate of profit, then so is Section 3 of Chapter 14.  
Secondly, Marx then went on in the rest of the first paragraph 
on to discuss how ³the value of the constant capital does not 
increase in the same proportion as its material volume" as a 
result of technological change and increased productivity in the 
production of the means of production.  Therefore the meaning 
of "cheapening" in the first paragraph of Section 3 is clearly a 
cheapening of the value of the constant capital, not just a 
cheapening of the value of the means of production.  
Andrew's sentence fragment then comes from the first 
sentence of the second paragraph of this section.  The second 
paragraph is about the revaluation of the "EXISTING capital" 
and argues that the same devaluation of constant capital 
discussed in the first paragraph with respect to new capital 
also applies to the "exiting capital".   The full paragraph is the 
following:
	Also related to what has been said is the devaluation of 
	EXISTING capital (i.e. of its material elements) that 
	goes hand in hand with the development 
	of industry.  THIS TOO IS A FACTOR THAT STEADILY 
	OPERATES TO STAY THE FALL IN THE RATE OF PROFIT, even though 
	in certain circumstances it may reduce the mass of profit by 
	detracting from the mass of capital that produces profit.  
	We see here once again that the same factors that produce 
	the tendency of the rate of profit to fall also 
	moderate the realization of this tendency.  (emphases 
	added)
	
Again, if Andrew's interpretation of "cheapening" or  
"devaluation" (as applying only to the value of the means of 
production and not to the constant capital) is correct, then: (a) 
the meaning of "cheapening" has changed from the first 
paragraph to the second without Marx saying so; and (2) the 
second sentence in this paragraph is nonsensical.  If the 
"devaluation of the existing capital" means only the devaluation 
of the means of production, but not the devaluation of the 
constant capital, then this devaluation cannot be a "factor that 
steadily operates to stay the fall in the rate of profit."  In order 
to "stay the fall in the rate of profit", "cheapening" must refer 
to the value of the constant capital.  
Therefore, it seems to me that this Section 3 of Chapter 14 on 
"cheapening", including its reference back to Chapter 6, 
provides very strong evidence that, in Marx's theory of the 
falling rate of profit, he assumes that the existing constant 
capital is cheapened as a result of technological change, i.e. is 
valued in current costs.   Otherwise, "cheapening" cannot be a 
"countertendency" to the falling rate of profit.
4.  Andrew¹s other two passages are the following passage from 
Chapter 13 of Vol. 3:
	Since the ratio of the mass of surplus-value to the value 
	of the INVESTED total capital forms the rate of profit, 
	this rate must constantly fall.  (p. 213; emphasis Andrew's)
	The drop in the rate of profit, therefore, expresses the 
	falling relation of surplus-value to ADVANCED total capital ...
	(p. 236; emphasis Andrew's)
Here Andrew's argument rests on the assumption that the 
words "original" and "advanced" mean that constant capital is 
valued in historical costs.  Andrew has also presented other 
passages which, although they are not specifically about the 
falling rate of profit, also define the rate of profit in relation to 
the "advanced" capital.  
However, in my (OPEL #3507, Section B.1), I have already 
argued against this interpretation and presented two passages 
in which Marx explicitly stated that the "advanced" capital is 
revalued in the case of technological change.  Hence "advanced" 
capital cannot not mean valuation at historical costs. 
Andrew has responded that these two passages do not mean 
that the existing capital (which has been "advanced" in the 
past) is revalued retroactively, but instead only mean that, 
when some capital is used up and replaced, then the newly 
advanced replacement capital increases or decreases, compared 
to the used up capital.  I agree that these two passages include 
this latter case of new capital, but I argue that these passages 
also include the retroactive revaluation of the 
existing capital.  Let us review these two passages.
The first passage is from Section 2 of  Chapter 6 of Vol. 3:		
	We simply mean that the CAPITAL PRESENT INCREASES 
	OR DECREASES IN VALUE as the result of certain general 
	economic conditions ... ;  i.e. that the value of the capital
	ADVANCED to production RISES OR FALLS independently of its 
	valorization by the surplus-value it employs.  (C.III., p. 206; 
	emphases added)
In the first place, the subject of this sentence is the "capital 
present" which seems to suggest the existing capital.  More 
importantly, it is clear from this section as a whole that the 
"revaluation of the advanced capital" applies both to new 
capital and to the existing capital.  In this section, Marx 
discussed the revaluation of both circulating capital and fixed 
capital.  In both cases Marx discussed both the revaluation of 
new capital and the revaluation of the "already functioning" or 
the "existing" capital (circulating capital, pp. 208-08, and fixed 
capital, pp. 208-09).
My other passage is from Chapter 7 of Vol. 3 and it seems to 
me is a clear and unambiguous statement that the previously 
existing capital is retroactively revalued in the case of 
technological change.  Andrew quoted the first sentence of this 
passage:
	Fluctuations in the rate of profit that are independent of 
	changes in either the capital's organic composition or its
	absolute magnitude are possible only if the value of the capital
	ADVANCED, whatever might be the form - fixed or circulating - RISES 
	OR FALLS as a result of an increase or decrease in the labor-
	time necessary for its reproduction ...	(C.III. 237-38;  
	emphasis added)
I agree that this sentence by itself is ambiguous - it could mean 
either a revaluation of new capital or a revaluation of the 
existing capital.  However, the sentences that follow make it 
unmistakably clear that Marx is talking about the revaluation 
of the existing capital.  
	The value of any commodity - and thus also of the 
	commodities which capital consists of - is determined by the
	socially necessary labor-time required for its reproduction.  This 
	reproduction may differ from the conditions of its original
	production by taking place under easier or more difficult
	circumstances.  If the changed circumstances means twice as much
	time, or alternatively only half as much, is required for the same
	physical capital to be reproduced, then given an unchanged value
	of money, THIS CAPITAL, IF IT WAS PREVIOUSLY WORTH $100, 
	WOULD NOW BE WORTH $200, OR ALTERNATIVELY $50.    
	(C.III, pp. 237-38; emphasis added)
To repeat:  as a result of the increase of productivity, the 
capital that was previously worth $100 is now worth $200 or 
$50.  Could there be a clearer statement of the revaluation of 
the existing capital.  
It should also be noted that the last sentence of this paragraph 
also briefly mentions the case of a change in the value of 
money, and states that in this case, as in the case technological 
change, the existing capital is revalued.  The difference 
between these two cases is that revaluation as a result of 
technological change may affect the rate of profit, whereas 
revaluation as a result of a change in the value of money does 
not affect the rate of profit.  
Therefore, I conclude, contrary to Andrew's argument, that 
these two passages do indeed say that the "advanced" capital 
can be revalued as a result of technological change (or a change 
in the value of money).  "Advanced" capital does not imply 
valuation at historical costs, as Andrew has argued.
5.  Besides this textual evidence (or lack thereof), Andrew¹s 
main argument to support his interpretation of the valuation of 
constant capital in terms of historical costs seems to be that the 
historical cost interpretation leads to the conclusion of a falling 
rate of profit and the current cost interpretation of constant 
capital does not lead to this conclusion.  Even is this were true - 
and I am not sure that it is - this would not be a valid reason to 
ignore all the textual evidence to the contrary and conclude 
that the historical cost interpretation is more correct.  
If the textual evidence were mixed, then perhaps ³conformity 
with Marx's results" would be a consideration in selecting the 
better interpretation.  But the textual evidence is not mixed.  
The textual evidence is overwhelmingly on one side (the 
current cost interpretation).  In every single passage in which 
Marx explicitly discussed the valuation of constant capital in 
the case of technological change, he stated that constant capital 
is revalued to current costs.  He never once said that in the case 
of technological change constant capital is valued in historical 
costs.  The only argument on the other side is ³conformity with 
Marx's results".  In this case, it does not seem reasonable to me 
to ignore all the textual evidence to the contrary and conclude 
that Marx defined constant capital in historical costs.  It seems 
to me more reasonable to conclude that Marx's falling rate of 
profit may not necessarily follow from his own definition of 
constant capital in current costs, for which there is substantial 
textual evidence.  
I repeat that I think that assuming disequilibrium and the valuation of
constant capital at historical costs may be an appropriate extention
of Marx's theory to more concrete levels of abstraction, but I do not
think that is what Marx was assuming in Capital, which remains at
a very high level of abstraction.
I wonder what other listmembers think about all this.  I would 
very much appreciate your comments.  
Comradely,
Fred