Re: [OPE] winning the battle of democracy

The view of Cuba here is quite shocking.

The comments on Chavez elsewhere are also silly, he was trying to help prevent Western Intervention, so to conserve whatever progressive trends exist in this general rebellion in North Africa and the Gulf. Dealing with other people doesn’t make you an effusive ally.

It must be clear to anyone that the aggressive attitude of the West stands is hypocritical contrast to its failure to support the Palestinians.

The general approach here in Opel, save Gerry, seems to start anywhere but the struggle against imperialism!

PBl

From: ope-bounces@lists.csuchico.edu [mailto:ope-bounces@lists.csuchico.edu] On Behalf Of Paula
Sent: 16 March 2011 01:08
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Subject: Re: [OPE] winning the battle of democracy

Yes, Alejandro, there are “Marxists” who over the years have been on the side of tyranny – going all the way back to the USSR. Now it’s Libya, Cuba, China, etc. Personally I don’t think the radical left can get anywhere unless it completely repudiates this shameful tradition and stands firmly with democracy, everywhere in the world. Perhaps the example of the revolutions in the Middle East and North Africa can inspire us to move in this direction.

Regarding Jerry’s question – I don’t have a strict definition of fascism. It seems to be a label people apply to the most extreme cases of something that’s entirely normal in the age of imperialism – political reaction with an element of popular support. I’d say Gadhafi’s regime is a pretty extreme example, as bad as General Franco’s in Spain, if not worse.

Paula

From: Alejandro Agafonow <mailto:alejandro_agafonow@yahoo.es>

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 6:05 PM

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Fine, it’s just that the links that Marxists use to see between populist leaders and a sort of direct democracy usually drive them to support totalitarian regimes. Of course it hasn’t to be your case necessarily. Sadly, many high ranked chavistas in Venezuela seem to be reluctant to accept what’s going on in Libya.

Alejandro

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De: Paula <Paula_cerni@msn.com>
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Enviado: sáb,12 marzo, 2011 07:32
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Alejandro, of course I’m not. Gadhafi is a ruthless tyrant, a fascist, and a monster.

Paula

From: Alejandro Agafonow <mailto:alejandro_agafonow@yahoo.es>

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:49 PM

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Paula, are you supporting Gaddafi’s rule in Libya ?

Cheers,

Alejandro

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De: Paula <Paula_cerni@msn.com>
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Enviado: vie,11 marzo, 2011 06:48
Asunto: Re: [OPE] winning the battle of democracy

Democracy today is under attack in Wisconsin and, much more tragically, in
Libya.
See this piece by Helena Sheehan (author of 'Marxism and the Philosophy of
Science'):
http://www.irishleftreview.org/2011/03/09/libya-left/

Paula

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