Forgive me Fred, but sometimes when I read what you say is Marx, I wonder whether we're talking about the same author. (1) The following two tables are taken from Vol III. In both of them, the ratio S/V is the same in all industries--an assumption to which you object. Well maybe, but Charlie did make it. I don't see how you can casually drop it, and then claim you're not modifying Charlie: Kap III: 57 Capital Labour Surplus-value Total output Old 100 20 10 130 New 90 30 15 135 Kap III: 157. Capitals Constant Variable R.S.V. S.V. Product R.P. I 80 20 100 20 120 20% II 70 30 100 30 130 30% III 60 40 100 40 140 40% IV 85 15 100 15 115 15% V 95 5 100 5 105 5% Sum 390 110 100 110 610 22% "RSV" in that table is the ratio S/V, which from recollection Marx assumed constant ACROSS INDUSTRIES in every example he ever gave (bar one, where he was playing with the possibility I have followed up, that "the use value of the machine significantly greater than its value; i.e. that its devaluation in the service of production is not proportional to its increasing effect on production" Grundrisse: 383). Now if you drop the assumption that S/V is constant across industries, then you don't have a transformation problem, for sure. But you also don't have a labor theory of value. (2) "Proportional to" does not mean "1:1": it means "always in the same ratio", whether that is 1:1 as in Marx's examples above, or 2:1, or 1200:37. As you define it, your own argument is inconsistent, since from S=m.Ls, you would only have "proportionality" as you just used the term if m=1. I presume that's not what you mean. Steve At 11:52 PM 10/7/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Steve Keen wrote: > >> Subject: [OPE-L:4006] Re: Re: Re: Surplus value or surplus argument? >> >> When I said that surplus value is proportional to necessary labor, I meant >> that in the labor theory of value the ratio S/V is taken as constant. > >Do you mean (as I take from your next sentence) that the ratio S/V is >taken as constant ACROSS INDUSTRIES? If so, I don't see this as a >necessary assumption (see more on this below). But in any case, the >constancy of the rate of surplus-value across industries does not imply >that surplus-value is proportional to NECESSARY labor. Surplus-value is >proportional to SURPLUS labor. Surplus-value would be proportional to >necessary only if the rate of surplus-value (S/V) were = 1. So I am still >puzzled about why you say that surplus-value is proportional to necessary >labor. > > > >> If your key equation is instead >> >> S= m.L - V >> >> then I don't see how you can maintain a constant rate of surplus value >> across industries. Therefore if this equation is made pivotal, I think you >> have a rather different theory to the one Marx set out. > > >The equation > > S = mL - V > >is an equation for the total economy as a whole, not for individual >industries. For the analysis of the total economy, it doesn't really >matter whether the rate of surplus-value is constant or not. But just to >clarify, could you please explain more why you think that this equation >makes it difficult to "maintain a constant rate of surplus-value across >industries." > >And my main point remains: according to my interpretation, surplus-value >is proportional to surplus labor. > > >Comradely, >Fred > > Dr. Steve Keen Senior Lecturer Economics & Finance University of Western Sydney Macarthur Building 11 Room 30, Goldsmith Avenue, Campbelltown PO Box 555 Campbelltown NSW 2560 Australia s.keen@uws.edu.au 61 2 4620-3016 Fax 61 2 4626-6683 Home 02 9558-8018 Mobile 0409 716 088 Home Page: http://bus.macarthur.uws.edu.au/steve-keen/
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