[OPE-L:4096] Re: Re: Re: Revaluation

From: michael@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU
Date: Sun Oct 15 2000 - 19:42:38 EDT


Depreciation can exist without affecting use value.   Tech. change can
make a machine obsolute without affecting use value.


> 
> Pardon me butting in with an unwanted aside here, but w.r.t. Andrew's
> closing comment that:
> 
> "I think the importance of this case here is that it makes clear that
> depreciation and the transfer of value are two different things."
> 
> This is precisely the case I make: the former represents the exchange-value
> of the machine, the latter is its use-value. The standard labor theory of
> value/Marxian approach is to equate these two magnitudes--so that exactly
> the same quantitative entry is made for the value of the input (c) and the
> value it transfers (also c).
> 
> When Marx put this proposition to himself in terms of exchange-value and
> use-value, however, he made the following statement:
> 
> "It also has to be postulated (which was not done above) that *the
> use-value of the machine significantly (sic) greater than its value*; i.e.
> that its devaluation in the service of production is not proportional to
> its increasing effect on production." (The Grundrisse, p. 383. Emphasis
> added.)
> 
> This would mean, of course, that the value transferred by the machine could
> exceed the value of the machine itself, which is the same case as for labor.
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> At 11:35 15/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >In reply to 4091.
> >
> >John wrote:  "what you now seem to be saying is that ... the value lost
> >by the machine due to aging, when it is used as well as when it is not
> >used, is not transferred to the output."
> >
> >No, my point was that, in Marx's theory, what allows the value of a means
> >of production to be preserved (by being transferred) is that it is used
> >in production.  If the same kind of item is *not* used in production, but
> >depreciates through aging (a machine is idled in a slump, and rusts out),
> >its value is lost along with its use-value.
> >
> >Marx discusses this in Capital I, Ch. 8.  And it is obvious in any case.
> >If a machine doesn't produce any output, it can't transfer value to that
> >output.
> >
> >I think the importance of this case here is that it makes clear that
> >depreciation and the transfer of value are two different things.
> >
> >Ciao,
> >
> >Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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