Re Fred's [5569]: > I would argue > that Marx's labor theory of value explains more > phenomena than value-form theory. Marx's > labor-theory of value explains prices and, most > importantly, surplus-value; but value-from theory > does not explain these all-important phenomena. > So I would say that Marx's labor theory of value > is preferred to value-form theory because it has > greater explanatory power. Value-form > theory, as I understand it, develops concepts; it > does not determine quantities. By contrast, > Marx's theory both develops concepts and > determines quantities. That is why I think that > Marx's theory has greater > explanatory power than value-form theory. Fred argues that his perspective is preferable to VFT "because it has greater explanatory power." How are we to judge, though, which theory has greater explanatory power? To answer that question, we must first ask: what does each theory attempt to explain? Here I think there is an area of agreement between Fred's LET (labor embodied theory) and VFT: both have as their subject matter and seek to explain the 'object-totality' of the bourgeois epoch -- capitalism. In other words, both seek to explain the same object (capitalism). Thus, should we not then judge each theory on its explanatory power regarding capitalism? Fred says that because his LET interpretation explains both concepts and quantities, it is to be preferred to VFT. Thus Fred reckons "the score" to be: LET-Fred -- 2 VFT --1 Thus Fred wins "on points", it would seem. but, let us consider the matter again. Since both interpretations agree on what the subject matter to be explained is, then shouldn't we not only examine the relation of price to value but *also* the degree to which the theory has explained the *TOTALITY* of the subject matter? E.g. lets consider the R/W VFT perspective (which may differ in some significant ways, including that described below, from other VFT perspectives): * Which theory has greater explanatory power re the STATE-FORM? Hasn't the R/W perspective been extended to systematically reveal *more* of the nature of bourgeois society than has Fred's perspective? Which theory then has greater explanatory power when we look at the ability of each theory to explain in a HOLISTIC sense the inter- relationships associated with capitalism? Shouldn't we thus also judge a theory by "how far it goes" in terms of explaining different phenomena at different levels of analysis? If Fred were to counter by claiming that his LET is CAPABLE of explaining the state-form, then being the skeptics that we should be, shouldn't we reply, "Let's see"? Don't theoretical results have to first be produced before we know what a theory is capable of and thus which theory has better explanatory power in an overall sense? In solidarity, Jerry
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