Re Chai-on's [6002]: > If the crisis is so severe, they would require a sort of the state intervention which directly contradicts with market principles of their own. While it is unclear to me whether the world capitalist economy's current crisis is as severe as you portray, this does pose an interesting and important question: i.e. will the severity of the crisis require capitalist states to adopt different strategies ('models') than those adopted internationally in recent years (as exemplified by 'Neo-Liberalism' and IMF/World Bank 'development' strategies)? This seems to be a real enough question. E.g. there has been recent talk from conservative sources for Keynesian demand-management policies. Others have raised the specter of 'military Keynesianism' as a strategic response to the current economic crisis. _In a sense_ (but _not_ entirely) this would represent a departure from what you call the 'market principles'. I am not convinced, though, that capitalists here or elsewhere believe that the current crisis _requires_ fascism to be overcome. Certainly, the resurgence of _nationalism_ can assist capitalists in individual nation-states in overcoming the crisis (e.g. during war time, they can usually call upon the trade unions, and union 'leaders', to make sacrifices for the 'greater good' -- this, I suspect, will be especially successful in driving down wages for state employees in the US for whom 'quibbling' over wages might now seem 'unpatriotic'). It is certainly possible, though, that in _some_ nations, more despotic forms of governance will emerge as a way of overcoming the crisis. E.g. the current situation might strengthen the hand of some governments led by military leaders. One might even argue, from the standpoint of 'efficiency' [!], that dictatorships might have significant advantages for the bourgeoisie in some countries. Such dictatorships can be used to marshal the resources of the state to outlaw unions, opposition parties and strikes and can be a method for attempting to drive down wages, lower the customary standard of living of workers, and increase the intensity of work and decrease the bargaining power of workers. Of course, some other capitalist strategies (e.g. Neo-Liberalism) also seek these objectives but the specific _methods_ (i.e. conjunctural tactics) may be different. Moreover, from the perspective of implementing state interventionist policies, dictatorships have some 'advantages' over bourgeois democracy. E.g. state policies can be more promptly implemented since time isn't 'wasted' debating which policies to implement. Yet, capitalist strategies must take into account the likely consequences in terms of working-class resistance. And, in many countries the suspension of bourgeois democracy could lead directly to immediate consequences (e.g. working-class radicalization and revolt) that are neither in the interests of the ruling class or are necessary at this conjuncture. Thus, I suspect, most bourgeois governments (at least in advanced capitalist nations) will seek to maintain 'legitimacy' and will use social institutions (e.g. the media) to gain support for state policies. [Yet, in reference to the media and the state, could it not be that in some cases the tail (the media) can wag the dog? Thus, the media -- often through its 'shark-feeding frenzy' types of coverage -- has had the ability to shape national debates and even create them. This is, though, not entirely new: witness the role of the media in promoting war after the sinking of the "Maine"]. In any event, the question of what is the emerging international strategy by capitalists to overcome the crisis and the question of how the working- class can effectively mobilize against such policies are obviously conjuncturally important issues. Do others have thoughts on these issues? In solidarity, Jerry
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