[OPE-L:6137] Southern ideology

From: Fred B. Moseley (fmoseley@mtholyoke.edu)
Date: Fri Nov 02 2001 - 00:53:46 EST


Patrick, this is a very good description of the "Southern ideology"
(except that you forgot to mention football!) and also the role of the
Southern Baptist Church in maintaining that ideology.  I know what you are
talking about.  My father was a Southern Baptist minister, a rare liberal
one, who was almost fired by the First Baptist Church of Bogalusa, La. in
1956 for supporting school integration.  But I grew up in that awful
culture.  I left the South when I was 15, and I have hardly been back
since.

Comradely,
Fred






On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Patrick L. Mason wrote:

> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:15:36 -0500
> From: Patrick L. Mason <pmason@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
> Reply-To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu
> To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu
> Subject: [OPE-L:6134] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: possible ways out of the 
>     'crisis'?
> 
> Alejandro:
> 
> The American South was the seat of slavery in the US. After the Civil War 
> (1861 - 1865), there was a brief period in some Southern states (1865 - 
> 1877) when it looked liked the former slave masters would not be allowed to 
> regain power. But, from 1877 - 1965 Jim Crow ruled in the South. Jim Crow 
> was the name for America's system of Apartheid.
> 
> During slavery and Jim Crow, many white churches split. The Southern 
> Baptist Convention (which is today the largest Christian group in America) 
> came into existence to support slavery. After that, the SBC supported Jim 
> Crow. This is the Church of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Billy Graham. 
> Each of these ministers were against every major piece of civil rights 
> legislation (including voting rights), all of the objectives of the civil 
> Rights movement. Robertson and Falwell vilified Martin Luther King. Each is 
> also staunchly anti-union. Falwell called Desmond Tutu a "phony." Each 
> is/was a staunch "anti-communist."
> 
> The SBC, along with similar churches, taught that blacks should be 
> subjected to slavery and, later, denied voting rights because blacks are 
> being punished for the sins of Cain or the sins of Ham. Or, in direct 
> contradiction, blacks weren't being punished but were merely being properly 
> Christianized and civilized by whites.
> 
> This same religious-political-economic formation strongly supported "states 
> rights" against the evil federal government. So, states rights and local 
> control became the code words for defending slavery and Jim Crow. When 
> Ronald Reagan ran for president in 1980 his first speech was in Mississippi 
> where he openly supported "states rights." The phrase "states rights" is 
> about as popular in the black community as "crusade" is in the Muslim 
> community.
> 
> This is basically the oligarchy that has controlled and continues to 
> control the South. Low property taxes and no state income tax, along with 
> poor public services or non-existent public services are standard fare in 
> their public policy. They are not libertarians. They are stateist and 
> corporatist. They want forced prayer in schools, even then what this group 
> means by prayer is a Christian protestant prayer.
> 
> They are against "mulit-culturalism" and any form of "secular humanism." 
> Socialism is considered absolutely satanic.
> 
> They are also against equality for women. The most conservative Southern 
> Christians do not believe that a woman should have authority over men (in 
> any capacity). Women should voluntarily submit to their husbands. Just as 
> many Muslim women wear a vail, many Southern Christian women (regardless of 
> race) where a hat over the head or have their head covered in some fashion 
> as a symbol of voluntary submission to the male authority.
> 
> Sexism, racism, and the dominance of the white elite have always been 
> intimately (pun intended) and intricately linked in the South, combined 
> with a large dose of xenophobia. All justified by the belief that God made 
> America special, i.e., superior, and thus America has an obligation to 
> export its way of life around the world. Note also that there is a deeply 
> militaristic streak in Southern culture.
> 
> peace, patrick
> 
> At 09:50 AM 11/1/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi, Patrick and Fred!
> >
> >Could you please clarify more what you mean for "Southerner" in your recent
> >posts?
> >
> >For example, Patrick refers to "the political economic ideology and
> >theology of the South".
> >
> >
> >Abrazos,
> >
> >Alejandro
> >
> >
> >
> >  sotAt 09:42 1/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Fred:
> > >
> > >Thanks for your postings with actual data. The numbers help clarify things.
> > >I'll respond in a bit.
> > >
> > >As a fellow Southerner, I, too, do not think that it is a good thing that
> > >America has been Southernized!!!
> > >
> > >I was merely point out that the political economic ideology and theology of
> > >the South has now become over-arching framework for all American political
> > >rhetoric and public policy.
> > >
> > >peace, patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >At 01:19 AM 11/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Patrick L. Mason wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Jerry:
> > >> >
> > >> > Conservatives really aren't interested in whether tax cuts generate 
> > jobs.
> > >> > The supply-side language accompanying these cuts is just political
> >filler,
> > >> > spin control, unadulterated garbage. Rather, the real objective is the
> > >> > libertarian desire to reduce the size of government, to reduce 
> > government
> > >> > spending and transfer payments purely for the sake of reducing 
> > government
> > >> > spending and transfer payments. Lowering tax revenues creates a budget
> > >> > deficit that conservatives then argue can only be solved by lowering
> > >> > spending. The net impact is to redistribute income toward the wealthy.
> > >> >
> > >> > America has been Southernized.
> > >>
> > >>Which is really too bad, and I speak as one from the South, but with a
> > >>different point of view.
> > >
> > >
> 
> 



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