I have read with interest Allins paper of the above name, which does seem relevant to the debate on econometrics which has been going on on the list. I would like to make a few observations about it though. First I must admit to ignorance of Bhaskar's work, so that I may be misunderstanding part of what Allin is saying. Allin says that Bhaskar defines a closed system, one capable of generating a constant conjuction of events as requiring 3 conditions: 1. Outside influences must either be negligable or must be constant over time. 2. The individuals of the system must be atomic (lacking in internal structure) or their internal conditions must be unchanging over the period in question. 3. The overall states of the system must be capable of representation by an additive function of the individual components of the system. I want in particular to question the last condition since this seems to be seriously at variance with any reasonable calculus of states. Suppose that I have a system with two sub components A and B. Let us suppose that A has two possible states and B has 3 possible states. Then the system (A,B) has, in the absence of some extra constraints 6 possible states, not 5, since each possible state of A can be combined with each possible state of B. Thus one would normally say that the state of a combined system is the cartesian product of the states of its components. The relevant principle is multiplicative rather than additive. In order to obtain an additive principle for states, one has to take the logarithms of the number of possible states of the sub-systems. Now the logarithm of the number of possible states of a system is proportional to its entropy or information content, and it seems reasonable to argue that the information content of the system is the sum of the information content of the parts, but this is not the additive principle Allin gives. My question is does Bhaskar really mean the states of the system must be additive, or does he mean that the entropies must be additive? If he means that the states must be additive he is imposing remarkably strict constrains on state composition. Secondly relating to Lawsons argument that the reality of free human choice implies that we can expect to see few if any regularities in the social realm. It strikes me that were this objection to be true, then it would not apply to the social realm alone. At a microscopic level, quantum indeterminacy implies that particles can chose which path to follow in an non-deteministic fashion. This would apparently rule out the detection of regularities in the physical realm. Of course this turns out not to be the case: although individual events are unpredictable, the mean rate of such events can exhibit remarkable regularities. One of the facts which appears to have excited the greatest alarm, out of all pointed to in my work, is naturally that relating to the constancy with which crime is committed. From the examination of numbers, I believed myself justified in inferring, as a natural consequence, that, in given circumstances, and under the influence of the same causes, we may reckon upon witnessing the repetition of the same effects, the reproduction of the same crimes, and the same convictions. Now, what do these facts teach us? I repeat, that in a given state of society, resting under the influence of certain causes, regular effects are produced, which oscillate, as it were, around a fixed mean point, without undergoing any sensible alterations. Observe, that I have said under the influence of the same causes; if the causes were changed, the effects also would necessarily be modified. As laws and the principles of religion and morality are influencing causes, I have then not only the hope, but, what you have not, the positive conviction, that society may be ameliorated and reformed. Expect not, however, that efforts for the moral regeneration of man can be immediately crowned with success; operations upon masses are ever slow in progress, and their effects necessarily distant. (Quetelet) -- Paul Cockshott paul@cockshott.com
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