This is a first worth acknowledging: I agree very much with Rakesh's comments on this issue--including the value of Allin's contributions. If I can add one observation,an elaboration of my perhaps obscure reference to "The Life of Brian". It seems to be a law of human nature that people who hold a firm belief fight more with those who hold the same belief than they do against those who hold opposing beliefs; and this is especially true of the left. I would ask list members on both sides of this recent conflict to transcend this tendency and accept each other as members of the left rather than as "the enemy". I know doing this is not easy, but it is better than letting the discussion of Marx fragment once more. Steve At 06:01 AM 12/03/2002 Tuesday, you wrote: >I am very sorry to see Alan go--now that Alan and Duncan are gone, OPE has >lost two of its most brilliant truly Marxian contributors whose early >exchanges were as stimulating as anything I have ever read in Marxism >cyber space. Gil is also exceptionally stimulating but his loss does not >damage the project of the development of Marxian political economy (and >one still gets to rid Gil at pen-l). Alan's and Duncan's departures do. > > > >Friendly relations had broken down; Alan wanted to organize the >destruction of the list and Jerry did not then honor Alan's wish that his >internal document in which said intention was explicitly stated remain >unseen by the rest of us. > > >Paul Z writes: > > >>Jerry, >> >>1) When you received the mis-sent email, you had the option of using the >>'delete' key. You didn't. You didn't post it either. Rather, you >>offered us 'bait' to ask you for it. I did NOT ask and will not ask as I >>don't like this kind of thing. Nevertheless, was the original email >>sender told TO WHOM you have forwarded the mis-sent email (or is he or she >>to be left forever in the dark as to whom in the world has received the >>mis-sending and who hasn't)? > >Alan did discourage Jerry from circulating this internal discussion >document in part because he thought it may be prejudical to the intended >recepients, but did in no uncertain terms tell Jerry that it was his >decision as to whether to circulate it. It was clear however that Alan >would have preferred that Jerry did not post it to the list. I know this >because Jerry forwarded his offlist discussion with Alan to Allin and me. > >Alan wanted to organize a boycott for the list, it seems to me, because >Jerry would not accept Andrew K's demand that Jerry apologize to Andrew >for having breached his security. Jerry said that he would accept Andrew >back on the list-- as Jerry first and I later recommended--if a. Andrew >simply asked Jerry and b.Andrew told Jerry privately that he Andrew agrees >to the list rules as long as other list members are so bound. > >I had been one of the OPE members who thought that Andrew should have to >apologize for his better watch your step comment or simply for any >misunderstanding that had resulted from it. But Jerry did not care about >this, so I saw no reason why I should. > >Alan agreed that this was a reasonable compromise for it seemed to involve >no loss of face for anyone. Jerry told Alan to have Andrew carry out. > >For reasons I do not understand, discussion broke down. Alan suggested >that Andrew had already carried it out, but Andrew seemed to me to be >asking for an apology from Jerry while Jerry was not asking for an apology >from Andrew. > >It seems obvious that Alan wanted to organize a boycott of the list by the >TSS school and Jerry thought the list should know. Alan's boycott threat >was not friendly , and Jerry's circulation of a note that Alan would have >preferred remained private was not friendly. > >I suppose that Alan will take my discussion of this on list as unfriendly, >but I have nothing but admiration for Alan as well as John E and Paolo. I >have learned a great deal from Andrew and have said so on the internet and >even in published form. I do not understand why he did not take the >compromise that Jerry, Alan and I allthought was reasonable? > > >Rakesh > > > >> >>2) Do you agree with Alan's request that this whole thread be kept off the >>list's archives ("I request the archive coordinator to remove all >>references to this correspondence from the archives...")? If not, why >>not? >> >>Paul Z. >> >>P.S. Please do NOT send me that mis-sent email in any type of reply. >> >>************************************************************************* >>Paul Zarembka, editor, RESEARCH IN POLITICAL ECONOMY at >>********************** http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PZarembka > >Home Page: http://www.debunking-economics.com > http://bus.uws.edu.au/steve-keen/ > http://www.stevekeen.net >Dr. Steve Keen >Associate Professor of Economics & Finance >School of Economics and Finance >Campbelltown Campus, Building 11 Room 30, >UNIVERSITY WESTERN SYDNEY >LOCKED BAG 1797 >PENRITH SOUTH DC NSW 1797 >Australia >s.keen@uws.edu.au 61 2 4620-3016 Fax 61 2 4626-6683 >Home 02 9580-4663 Mobile 0409 716 088
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