Re Jurriaan's [7l55]: > You wrote: "We can't accept Marx's maxim that mankind (sic) never sets > itself problems that it can't solve". I don't see why not. Note that Marx > uses a double negative. He is not trying to play the optimist He is saying > that problems and solutions develop hand in hand, but that social-material > conditions need to mature before they can be correctly grasped in thought. > The pertinent point is that he says "cannot solve" and not "will not > solve". Historical development presents humanity with certain problems of > their own making, which in principle are solvable once they are recognised > for what they truly are (perhaps with a time-lag, given the normal > conservatism of social consciousness). Let's discuss this "time lag" more. Of course one can identify solutions to nuclear destruction, terracide, etc. _beforehand_. Yet, afterwards humankind (if there is still humankind) might very well have a problem that it _can't_ solve. Consider e.g. nuclear destruction (a social disaster rather than a natural disaster alone). After the missiles and bombs drop and the nuclear clouds clear, humankind (if there is still humankind) no longer has the same forces of production with which it can attempt to solve problems. Indeed, one would expect reverse technical change and a declining reproduction of capital. What, if anything, can be done to "solve" the problem at this point? Note that communism -- as understood by Marx and the scientific socialists -- would no longer be on the agenda -- unless one thinks that it would be possible to implement "primitive communism" or a Utopian socialist solution. Nor is this the only possibility. Consider the depletion of the ozone layer, acid rain, the Greenhouse effect, nuclear pollution, etc.. All of these negative consequences ("natural disasters") to the environment are caused by social forces (they are the consequence of human actions.) More specifically, they are caused by capital. We can identify "solutions" to these problems now, but can we assume that if there are solutions today that there will continue to be solutions in the future? I think not. The fallacy in believing that we will always be able to come up with solutions to potential environmental problems is based on the illusion -- the pretension -- of humankind that we really understand the complexity of nature. We do not. Indeed, the "solutions" that we identify today _even if implemented_ can not be guaranteed to work in the manner anticipated because of the complexity of the subject matter (nature) and our very incomplete grasp of those forces. Another (very real) possibility: biological warfare. Before there is biological warfare, the solutions are very easy to determine. What about afterwards? Can we assume that those who develop biological weapons also have the knowledge to develop an effective way of containing the damage? I think not. For example, viruses genetically developed in the laboratory can adapt and evolve in unanticipated directions (there are some who argue that this was the genesis of the HIV virus.) Then what? At some point, it may indeed be that there are no "solutions" to the problem. Checkmate. End of game. Recall the line that I cited in my last post: "sooner than lose the things he owns he will destroy the world" (from the poem "Know they enemy" by Christopher Logue.) Because we can not assume that capital is entirely rational we can not assume that capital as it makes its departure from history will not take the rest of us with them. Logue's solution: "SMASH CAPITAL NOW" is a solution up until the point when or if capital implements its own "solution". Afterwards, "we" might not be around to solve the problems -- although if all life has ended then so has the problem -- the negation of the negation (or would it be the negation of the affirmation? ... or would it be the negation of the subject and the object? ... or just the "end of history"?). In solidarity, Jerry PS re [7l59]: Thanks for the exact Marx quote which I imprecisely paraphrased. However, the actual quote is even more worrisome, especially Marx's reference to "inevitability". This strikes me as a deep-seated teleological belief common among progressives in Marx's era (and commonly believed in until past the mid-point of the XX Century). At the onset of the XXI Century, such beliefs can not be sustained with confidence: only death is inevitable:
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