Re Riccardo's [7l7l]: > In any case, we > must have some term to label those who think that, to quote Andrew > Kliman, since Marx was right, don't 'correct' him. just apply, or > 'test' it. This needs qualification. Andrew K didn't say that *in general* Marx was 'right', we don't need to 'correct' him, etc.: a) to the extent that Andrew (and Ted and Alan, etc.) wrote that Marx was 'right', etc. it was in reference to the *quantitative* side of Marx's theory. They haven't claimed -- as far as I know -- that Marx's theory *overall* was correct and just needs to be applied. b) actually Andrew -- as far as I can remember -- didn't claim that Marx's quantitative theory was 'right' or 'correct' -- *only* that it was *internally consistent* and therefore that claims by Bortkiewicz regarding Marx's internal inconsistency are not right and incorrect. c) Andrew repeatedly emphasized that TSS is an _interpretation_ of Marx. Thus, the issue that he (and others who advocate the TSS interpretation of Marx) have focused on is one that concerns *hermeneutics*. For the above reasons, I think it would be misleading to refer to Kliman (or other advocates of the TSS interpretation of Marx) as a "fundamentalist" in the sense in which I think you understand the meaning of that term. I think one of the problems with our communication is that the *focus* of our concerns has been different: for Kliman, his _primary research focus_ has, to date, been hermeneutic; for many others, their primary research focus has been capitalism. In other words, Kliman has been mainly focused on what is essentially a *history of political economy question* (i.e. what is the interpretation of Marx's quantitative theory that is the most consistent and has the best textual evidence when placed in the context of Marx's overall theory?), whereas many other Marxists are focused on comprehending and struggling against the dynamics of capitalism. My dictionary defines hermeneutics as: " l. the science of interpretation, esp. of the Scriptures. 2. the branch of theology which treats of the principles of Biblical exegesis"{The Random House Dictionary of the English Language). This is perhaps not a very good definition. Is there a place for hermeneutics in Marxism? If we are going to say that it is "the science of interpretation", I would say that it has a place. For example, Marx's critique of Smith and Ricardo *presupposed* an understanding -- an interpretation -- of those authors. On the other hand, *Marx was not engaged in hermeneutic debates* -- even his _Critique of Hegel's 'Philosophy of Right'_ was not an exercise in hermeneutic debate (although there have been many debates among Hegelians and others about interpreting Hegel.) His focus was on _larger_ questions than on history of thought questions. And when Marx was focused on history of thought questions, it was _never_ an end in itself -- it was _just_ a component of a larger study of his. In a similar sense, his study of empirical and historical sources was not an end in itself -- rather it constituted a necessary stage in his research that was required for the later reconstruction of the subject matter (capitalism) in thought. I think we should follow Marx's example and *not* be primarily focused on hermeneutics. While what Marx wrote and whether his quantitative theory is consistent or inconsistent is of interest, it has I think *very limited* interest -- to me at least -- from what I view as the larger question of comprehending and struggling against capitalism (which presupposes that we comprehend not only 'capital in general' but capitalism as a totality *and* contemporary capitalism; thus our knowledge must extend beyond _Capital_ not only because that work only attempts to explain capital at a relatively high level of abstraction and therefore is necessarily and intentionally "incomplete" but also because we must grasp the ways in which capitalism has changed since Marx's time.) Moreover, I would claim that from a Marxist perspective -- which should be *anti-authoritarian* and critical towards *all* -- the task of interpreting Marx should not be a goal in itself but *only* has meaning in a critique *OF* Marx Yet, even if I don't agree that hermeneutics should be a major research focus of Marxists today, I -- of course -- support the right of others to focus on hermeneutics, animal husbandry, meteorology, gardening or whatever. I do think, though, that there are more important subjects in the world that need addressing than gardening. In solidarity, Jerry
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