>Dear Rakesh, > > > thanks for your further elaboration. I accept that on this >thing we have different opinion. That's it. > > The problem here is not to agree 100% with Jerry. I think his >parallel with gardening was a slip (in fact, he admitted it). I >think he over-emphasised the point about hermeneutics, opposing it >to understanding real capitalism. Though, I thin k he raised an >interesting point to be elaborated, how different are the ways of >doing Marxian hermeneutics today, and how this hermeneutics is >linked to a process of understanding and changing the word. Dear Riccardo, all these questions can be raised without saying that real Marxists who are primarily interested in understanding and struggling against real world capitalism have great difficulty communicating with Kliman because Kliman has a primary research interest with the same relevance to Marxism as personal gardening. First, this is a flame. You want to call it a slip, but this is a euphemism. Jerry needs to re-read the list rules. And I don't think we should have a moderator who breaks his own rules. Second, it puts all the blame on Kliman for these communicational difficulties. Why does this list need a hypothesis of why Kliman has communicational difficulties? Especially a hypothesis which puts Kliman in a very unfavorable comparison with his old interlocutors?! Kliman is not even on the list. Levy's comments on Kliman were neither polite nor productive. The list does not need a moderator like this. Sinha, Skillman and others (perhaps you and me as well) have blame to share in the breakdown of conversation with the TSS school; I of course make no excuses for Kliman's obnoxious demands for retraction--one must realize that I have had as much unpleasant email exchange with Kliman as almost anyone on this list. But I don't think Levy's making available of Freeman's private email (even if Freeman allowed this) did anyone any good--even Nicky who seems to be Jerry's good friend could find no reason for Jerry to circulate Freeman's private email with the absurd cries that he was exposing a THREAT to the list. What a TSS person could think is that the moderator of this list is willing to do anything to bring them down--circulate private email and make ad hominem criticisms. Again we don't need this kind of moderation. Levy has moderated for--what?--seven years now. Do Marxists have moderators for life? It's time for a change. Rakesh
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