From: Paul Cockshott (wpc@DCS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Tue May 06 2003 - 10:06:52 EDT
gerald_a_levy wrote: > Paul C wrote on 5/3: > If one considers that value is labour, then the value of> money is unproblematic. And on 5/6, he wrote: > What I am saying > is that if one takes value either to be > > labour, or even Smith's command over labour, then the > > notion of a decline in the value of money is well founded. > Yet, value is no more labour then labour is labour-power.To say that labour (of a particular form) creates value isquite different from saying that > value _is_ labour. I would say that value is labour, and that value becomes manifest in commodity producing societies in the form of exchange value. > Also,to say that the magnitude of value is determined bysocially-necessary-labor-time is different from saying thatvalue _is_ labour. [As far as > Marx's take on this is concerned (happy b-day,btw), note that Chris A took the late Ernest Mandel to task forclaiming that "For Marx *labour is > value*". I would agree with Mandel here. > Chris argues thatthis is "directly refuted by Marx's own text" (Volume 1 of _Capital_)where M wrote that "labour is not itself value." Chris > goes onto claim that Mandel "overlooked the importance of the value*form*" ("Value Labour and Negativity" in _Capital & Class_,73, Spring 2001, p. > 31). What is unclear to me, though, iswhen Marx *first* expressed this proposition that labour is notvalue. E.g. what did he write about this in > the drafts of_Capital_?] I think that Marx was not 100% clear on the distinction between value and exchange value at first. His clearest distinction between them comes in Notes on Wagner. > > If one thinks that value is essentially something specific > > to exchange - rather than being founded on something > > prior to exchange - then the idea of a decline in the > > value of money is no longer well founded. > If one believes that there is a unity of the process ofcapitalist production and circulation then value is somethingspecific to the nature of the > commodity-form Why? this is a non-sequitur. How can ones belief about some particularity of the capitalist mode of production - the unity of production and circulation ( whatever that means ), lead to conclusions about other modes of production - namely that value is absent from them. One might as well say that because I believe that all capitalist economies use coin , coins do not exist in non-capitalist economies. > -- Paul Cockshott Dept Computing Science University of Glasgow 0141 330 3125
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