From: Riccardo Bellofiore (riccardo.bellofiore@UNIBG.IT)
Date: Sat May 17 2003 - 08:53:43 EDT
Nothing. Actually, I think that open debate may even be a good thing for Cuba (see the article by Pietro Ingrao, which you should be able to read).But I respect the worries of those on the list who thinks differently. So, I would in public still endorse my opinions (as chris says, carefully crafting my words, which for me means writing in Italian). And I have the liberty of speaking to comrades I respect arguing they are plainly wrong: even in insisting in making 'wild' comments about parliamentary stupidity, armchair intellectuals etc. r At 20:43 +1000 17-05-2003, Nicola Taylor wrote: >Nice! But this seems (to me) a lot to ask of Jerry, who is already doing a >superhuman job of keeping this site going (along with Alfredo, Fred and >Allin). What is wrong with simply expressing a 'personal opinion' in a >public forum?? That is anyway what I have been doing... > >Nicky > > >> I think Chris is right on openness. May I ask Jerry if it is possible >> to open for these kind of discussions a parallel closed site? >> >> r >> >> At 13:02 +0100 17-05-2003, Christopher Arthur wrote: >> >And I say I agree with Riccardo. (And also Fred) >> >But this illustrates also why I was, and remain, opposed to a public >> >archive. I would like to hear a discussion and particpate but I do not >want >> >to word things as carefully as I would in a letter to the press. >> >Chris A >> > >> >>At 11:22 -0600 16-05-2003, Hans Ehrbar wrote: >> >>>In the times of imperialist attack on Cuba I consider it the >> >>>duty of every progressive either to support Cuba or, if you >> >>>feel you cannot do this, to stay silent, because everything >> >>>critical you say at this moment will be used as further >> >>>pretext for the attacks on Cuba. The actions by the Cubans >> >>>which you object to were undertaken as a defense against US >> >>>attacks. We have to try to stop the imperialists, instead >> >>>of second-guessing the actions Cuba is undertaking to defend >> >>>itself. This seems so obvious to me that I am embarrassed >> >>>to send it to this list. I am only saying it for the record >> >>>so that people perusing the archives will not get a false >> >>>impression. >> >>> >> >>>Hans. >> >> >> >> >> >>hans, four (no, five) things: >> >> >> >>(i) we decided to 'open' the list, so we decided to make debates >> >>openly. if we don't want that, we should close the list. or Jerry >> >>should open some parallel, closed site to discuss openly among >> >>comrades this kind of stuff. >> >> >> >>(ii) 'to stay silent'? I don't know why, but I have heard this kind >> >>of things many many times. I don't like the expression: neither the >> >>form nor the substance. >> >> >> >>(iii) I strongly support Cuba against US attacks. I repeat: strongly. >> >>And I condemn any 'pretext' to attack Cuba. But I do not justify the >> >>actions undertaken by Cuba, as you do. By the way, they are giving >> >>USA more 'pretexts'. There is a dissent among us on this. You cannot >> >>take your opinion as granted. I respect it, but mine is very >> >>different. >> >> >> >>(iv) in my mind (and unfortunately I can think only with my mind, and >> >>speak accordingly) what I said in prior mail is exactly the most > > >>friendly approach to Cuba, it' s the only way I see to support Cuba: > > >>avoid (or insist in) serious and dramatic errors. there is no > > >>second-guessing. those actions are patently wrong, are against what >> >>communism (at least, libertarian communism) is and should be, as end >> >>and as means. >> >> >> >>(v) should I say that those who do not understand this are really >> >>working against Cuba, and should then stay silent? it's not my >> >>attitude, frankly. I am interested in listening their opinions and >> >>arguments. >> >> >> >>r >> >> >> > >> >17 Bristol Road, Brighton, BN2 1AP, England >> >> >> -- >> Riccardo Bellofiore >> Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche >> "Hyman P. Minsky" >> Via dei Caniana 2 >> I-24127 Bergamo, Italy >> e-mail: riccardo.bellofiore@unibg.it >> direct +39-035-2052545 > > secretary +39-035 2052501 >> fax: +39 035 2052549 >> homepage: http://www.unibg.it/dse/homebellofiore.htm >> >> Al signor K chiesero cosa stesse facendo. >> Il signor K rispose: "Sto lavorando duro >> per preparare il mio prossimo errore" >> >> What are you working on, Herr K was asked. >> Herr K replied: "I am working hard, >> I am carefully preparing my next error" >> >> Bertolt Brecht -- Riccardo Bellofiore Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche "Hyman P. Minsky" Via dei Caniana 2 I-24127 Bergamo, Italy e-mail: riccardo.bellofiore@unibg.it direct +39-035-2052545 secretary +39-035 2052501 fax: +39 035 2052549 homepage: http://www.unibg.it/dse/homebellofiore.htm Al signor K chiesero cosa stesse facendo. Il signor K rispose: "Sto lavorando duro per preparare il mio prossimo errore" What are you working on, Herr K was asked. Herr K replied: "I am working hard, I am carefully preparing my next error" Bertolt Brecht
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