From: Nicola Taylor (19518173@STUDENT.MURDOCH.EDU.AU)
Date: Sat May 17 2003 - 06:43:20 EDT
Nice! But this seems (to me) a lot to ask of Jerry, who is already doing a superhuman job of keeping this site going (along with Alfredo, Fred and Allin). What is wrong with simply expressing a 'personal opinion' in a public forum?? That is anyway what I have been doing... Nicky > I think Chris is right on openness. May I ask Jerry if it is possible > to open for these kind of discussions a parallel closed site? > > r > > At 13:02 +0100 17-05-2003, Christopher Arthur wrote: > >And I say I agree with Riccardo. (And also Fred) > >But this illustrates also why I was, and remain, opposed to a public > >archive. I would like to hear a discussion and particpate but I do not want > >to word things as carefully as I would in a letter to the press. > >Chris A > > > >>At 11:22 -0600 16-05-2003, Hans Ehrbar wrote: > >>>In the times of imperialist attack on Cuba I consider it the > >>>duty of every progressive either to support Cuba or, if you > >>>feel you cannot do this, to stay silent, because everything > >>>critical you say at this moment will be used as further > >>>pretext for the attacks on Cuba. The actions by the Cubans > >>>which you object to were undertaken as a defense against US > >>>attacks. We have to try to stop the imperialists, instead > >>>of second-guessing the actions Cuba is undertaking to defend > >>>itself. This seems so obvious to me that I am embarrassed > >>>to send it to this list. I am only saying it for the record > >>>so that people perusing the archives will not get a false > >>>impression. > >>> > >>>Hans. > >> > >> > >>hans, four (no, five) things: > >> > >>(i) we decided to 'open' the list, so we decided to make debates > >>openly. if we don't want that, we should close the list. or Jerry > >>should open some parallel, closed site to discuss openly among > >>comrades this kind of stuff. > >> > >>(ii) 'to stay silent'? I don't know why, but I have heard this kind > >>of things many many times. I don't like the expression: neither the > >>form nor the substance. > >> > >>(iii) I strongly support Cuba against US attacks. I repeat: strongly. > >>And I condemn any 'pretext' to attack Cuba. But I do not justify the > >>actions undertaken by Cuba, as you do. By the way, they are giving > >>USA more 'pretexts'. There is a dissent among us on this. You cannot > >>take your opinion as granted. I respect it, but mine is very > >>different. > >> > >>(iv) in my mind (and unfortunately I can think only with my mind, and > >>speak accordingly) what I said in prior mail is exactly the most > >>friendly approach to Cuba, it' s the only way I see to support Cuba: > >>avoid (or insist in) serious and dramatic errors. there is no > >>second-guessing. those actions are patently wrong, are against what > >>communism (at least, libertarian communism) is and should be, as end > >>and as means. > >> > >>(v) should I say that those who do not understand this are really > >>working against Cuba, and should then stay silent? it's not my > >>attitude, frankly. I am interested in listening their opinions and > >>arguments. > >> > >>r > >> > > > >17 Bristol Road, Brighton, BN2 1AP, England > > > -- > Riccardo Bellofiore > Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche > "Hyman P. Minsky" > Via dei Caniana 2 > I-24127 Bergamo, Italy > e-mail: riccardo.bellofiore@unibg.it > direct +39-035-2052545 > secretary +39-035 2052501 > fax: +39 035 2052549 > homepage: http://www.unibg.it/dse/homebellofiore.htm > > Al signor K chiesero cosa stesse facendo. > Il signor K rispose: "Sto lavorando duro > per preparare il mio prossimo errore" > > What are you working on, Herr K was asked. > Herr K replied: "I am working hard, > I am carefully preparing my next error" > > Bertolt Brecht
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