Re: (OPE-L) Re: Paresh Chattopadhyay 'Capital, The Progenitor of Socialism'

From: Paul Bullock (paulbullock@EBMS-LTD.CO.UK)
Date: Mon Jan 05 2004 - 18:32:31 EST


Rakesh,

a few comments below

Paul B.

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From: "Rakesh Bhandari" <rakeshb@STANFORD.EDU>
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: (OPE-L) Re: Paresh Chattopadhyay 'Capital, The Progenitor of
Socialism'


> >Paul C response to DY's  statement  seems to me to be strange indeed.  Is
PC
> >stating that 'globalisation' ( whatever this is.......a more amorphous
> >notion one would find hard to find!) has somehow abolished monopoly?
Clearly
> >then various EU / US state agencies are barking up wrong trees! quite
apart
> >from the serious disappointment in their careers that so many writers and
> >'economic' investigators  will now suffer at the hands of PC's discovery!
> >What is actually clear is that relatively few producers/corporations  in
the
> >world, lets say 300, headquartered in very few states lets say 10, but
> >mostly in the US, have a monopoly ( in the sensible sense of over 25% of
the
> >market ( UK Competition regs)), and that this 'monopoly' allows huge
profits
> >which are in part are used to provide payments to sections of the work
force
> >to ensure loyalty and stability to the system.
> >
>
> 1. These 300 corporations only employ a small part of the work force
> in the imperialist countries. Any transfer of value from competitive
> to monopoly capital should obtain as much intra as inter nationally.
> ( OF COURSE, BUT CONTROL IS EXERTED FROM HQ,
WITH HQ'S ARMIES AND BANKERS AT THE TABLE)

> 2. If there are monopoly profits they probably   (?)  are received only by
> the most advanced technology sectors, e.g. design and logic rather
> than basic memory chips. But as capital goods sectors tend to suffer
> first and hardest in a downturn, monopoly profits are also vulnerable
> to the business cycle.( AS IS THE WHOLE SYSTEM.. BUT THEY
ARE RELATIVELY LESS VULNERABLE AND CAN AND DO TAKE
 ADVANTAGE DURING SUCH PERIODS, TO CENTRALISE
AND EXTEND CONTROL)
>
> 3. All this reference to monopoly seems to suggest Baran and Sweezy's
> framework; is this implicit? ( CERTAINLY NOT!!!!!!) Please clarify.
>
> 4. This explanation for the stability of imperialist countries
> suffers from a materialist metaphysic--(THIS IS NOT TRUE,
THE ISSUE IS TO ESTABLISH  A MATERIAL BASE FOR
 REFORMISM IN THE WORKING CLASS) the working
class has to be materially bought off or it would be revolutionary. This
discounts  the role of culture, the media, the legal system and the power of
the
state, and many other factors.(THE RECENT ARTICLES SENT ON VENEZUELA
ACTUALLY STRESS THE BATTLE OVER THE MEDIA - ITS RACISM - AND
IN THE EVENT, THE REACTION BY THE MILLION POOR WHO FOUGHT
AND DIED FOR CHAVEZ... THE POOR ARE NOT SUCH FOOLS)
Let's not pretend that the labor aristocracy thesis is the only explanation
for the stability of the
dominant advanced capitalist countries.
>
> 5. David's point is a good one, and reflects his own ambivalence:
> "Yes, at the same time,  ever greater numbers of  unproductive
> workers are being forced into very low paid jobs in the imperialist
> countries as well. This is a measure of  the crisis of imperialism...
> There is little doubt that the numbers of privileged workers that
> imperialist economies can sustain is diminishing and will eventually
> return to a small influential minority of the working class.."
>
> 6. David Y is arguing at absolute variance with Grossmann's wage
> theory. In fact he seems much closer to Bukharin; is David aware of
> this?
>
> 7. David Y fails to consider how imperialist exploitation does not
> benefit but costs the working class in the imperialist countries. At
> this time, his emphasis could not be more misplaced.
>
>
> Rakesh
>


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