Re: Rakesh's musing on Venezuela ("Left-wing Communism ...")

From: dashyaf@EASYNET.CO.UK
Date: Tue May 25 2004 - 08:35:48 EDT


Rakesh,

Our paper has carried a series of articles on Venezuela explaining the
class basis of Chavez's actions in the context of a life and death struggle
for the mass of Venezuelans  against US imperialism. This is not a fixation
with Chavez but a taking of sides with the vast majority of humanity
against imperialism.  Please read the material, the latest article can be
found at
http://www.revolutionarycommunistgroup.com/frfi/178/

Other articles can be found in earlier issues on the same website.

Le Monde Diplomatique is also an excellent source of material on Venezuela
if you prefer a more bourgeois publication. See April 2004 issue for a
detailed summary of the latest developments in Venezuela.
http://mondediplo.com/2004/04/


What facts do you object to and do you have the evidence showing that they
lack objectivity.

David Yaffe




At 07:54 24/05/04 -0700, you wrote:
>>Rakesh's energy re Venezuela is spent on one individual Chavez, Chavez,
>>and then again Chavez, not what U.S. imperialism is doing in the concrete
>>in Venezuela; not on the day-to-day maneveurs of the opposition; not on
>>the day-to-day actions of supporters or qualified supporters of the
>>government.  In the final analysis Chavez is not that important.
>
>
>And later Paul Z writes:
>
>
>>   One thing I'm confident of: the opposition blames Chavez for
>>anything and are as fixed on Chavez as Rakesh.
>
>Oh, no, I am not fixated on Chavez. As I see it, you, Michael, Paul B
>and David Y are fixated on him as a revolutionary leader and  hero of
>the working class and poor.
>
>
>  Paul Z then writes:
>
>
>>
>>Placing Chavez as government leader in context of a very wealthy,
>>extremist opposition could lead one to think that the opposition may
>>believe it has lost a lot from the current government.  Their acts speak
>>much louder than Rakesh's words from afar, who digs up, for this list, an
>>article more than a year old that Chavez is nothing more than a
>>neo-liberal.
>
>
>>
>>The Venezuelan government must be placed in context, just as we must place
>>Aristide in context, Lula in context, Gandhi in context, etc.
>
>And in each case (though least of all in Aristide's) it is important
>to understand how each prepares the ground for a right wing coup or
>even right wing formally democratic take over by engendering
>alienation, indifference and cynicism in those in whose respective
>names they  rule. There are several Brazilian members of OPE-L; it
>would be wonderful if they would discuss the complexities of Lula's
>government which  seems more complex than Chavez's. More North
>Americans speaking Spanish than Portuguese may be one reason why
>Chavez gets more attention than Lula despite what may be the latter's
>greater historical and regional and ideological importance.  At any
>rate, as I have said, Chavez should use force to suppress right wing
>coups and he should expose international right wing support of
>conspirators. But this does not mean that he is himself not cutting
>his own base from underneath him.
>
>
>I also don't see how this serves as a criticism of Sonntag or as
>support for his critics such as Lander who I believe serves in the
>govt. I introduced the article with the intent of eliciting specific
>criticism. Sonntag seems associated with the world systems school,
>and he was chosen to represent left criticism in a debate at UC
>Berkeley. What he says should be answered directly.
>
>
>
>>
>>Just yesterday I happened to speak with a woman who knows the daughter of
>>one of five wealtiest in Venezuela who flies around at the touch of a
>>button.  We're talking about opposition with real hatred. We're talking
>>about Ku Klux Klan type-mentality, we're talking about racism at its core,
>>we're talking about money big-time, and we're talking about such people
>>wanting governmental power.
>
>That does not invalidate the opposition from the left.
>
>
>>
>>As to the SIDOR strike, I happened to have visited that plant many years
>>ago in a very memorable visit (including spending a night among its some
>>workers migrating, at the time, from places like Spain).  I've have been
>>trying to understand it now, but I'm not running to this list with
>>wholesale judgement of its current strike activity (although, frankly, my
>>credentials to do so would exceed Rakesh's).
>
>Many years ago would have been before the neo liberal restructuring
>of industrial relations, no? So how good are these impressions now?
>It would be like my saying that I was in Gary Indiana in 1948.
>
>
>>Unlike Rakesh, I would be
>>asking of people on the scene what's going on.
>
>I can't ask people on the scene. So let's say managment can call on
>the National Guard as violent strike breakers. What does this say
>about the nature of Chavez's regime, that it does not have power over
>the National Guard?
>
>
>>   Maybe the workers are
>>angry with Chavez, but maybe not (Michael reports that no one in Venezuela
>>is blaming Chavez personally; Michael may be in error, but maybe not, and
>>if not, Rakesh obviously doesn't know what he is talking about). Maybe the
>>workers are, rather, angry at their managment and also at their union
>>leadership.
>
>It also seems that they wanted to Chavez to nationalize the industry
>and for the state to use its 40% ownership stake to improve
>conditions. But of course the workers are probably angry first and
>foremost at their own bosses and,  second, at their own leaders. Yet
>it does not seem to me that they have concluded that Chavez's state
>is a workers' state; indeed the state seems at best indifferent to
>their plight. And in this case it seems to have done worse. The only
>plus is that Chavez did not declare the strike illegal but given use
>of the National Guard it seems that it was de facto declared illegal.
>
>
>
>
>>  Does the
>>context of American military defeat in Iraq (but inability to so
>>acknowledge) mean that the American empire is ready to fall and thus give
>>an opening to genuine and immediate socialism/communism in Venezuela?
>
>
>US imperialism is not the only 'thing' holding that up.
>
>
>>If
>>not, what are progressive steps available within the actual Venezuelan
>>context?
>
>Well it seems that SITOR got a raw deal.
>
>
>>  Is the current government taking none of those steps, or can we
>>acknowledge that they have taken some?  If some, could it move faster, or
>>is it already moving too fast?
>
>And isn't moving backward despite choking on a surfeit of oil wealth?
>
>Rakesh
>
>
>>
>>Paul z.
>>
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