Re: (OPE-L) RE: 'simple commodity production'

From: Ian Wright (iwright@GMAIL.COM)
Date: Mon Sep 20 2004 - 00:47:56 EDT


Hi Ajit

Thanks for the pointer to Garegnani, and your note that prices can be
proportional to labour values in other models.

> Ian, I think you need to distinguish between the 'law
> of value' and the 'theory of value'.
<..snip..>
> The theory of value on the other hand
> deals with predictions of particular exchange ratios.
> They are entirely two different things and cannot be
> conflated into one.

I don't quite follow you here. Are you saying that a complete "theory
of value" must predict prices? Therefore, the "law of value" is not a
"theory of value" because it does not predict prices? I am happy to
accept your distinctions for the sake of argument, with the caveat
that it appears that the "law of value" is a reasonable predictor for prices.

But it seems to me there is a problem with the criteria that a "theory
of value" must predict prices. That's because prices can undergo all
kinds of arbitrary transformations due to property rights specific to
a particular economic organisation. For example, capitalist profits
via ownership of the means of production fall into this category, and
the price transformation due to this appropriation results,
theoretically at least, in prices of production. But if we follow this
criterion then a "theory of value" is specific to particular economic
setups. For example, consider a hypothetical society of co-operatives,
in which means of production are not privately owned, and firm revenue
is allocated to firm members according to some democratic principle.
That is, all members of society receive the same type of income. In
this society prices will not be transformed due to equal returns on
capital invested, although they may be transformed in other ways.
Therefore, according to your criteria, this society will need a
different "theory of value" to predict prices. But in both cases there
are goods being exchanged in markets with prices attached to them.
Both societies have concepts of economic value. It would seem natural
to require a general theory of economic value that can apply to both
cases.

I think that a complete "theory of value" should be trans-historical,
or more precisely, trans-social. That is, there are objective
determinations of economic value that are necessarily reflected in any
viable social system. We're still toiling in the realm of necessity
after all. This is Marx's point about the trans-social necessity for
every society to allocate social labour-time. The key point is that
work must be performed and it takes time. But there isn't a
trans-social necessity for capitalists to earn a return on investment.
The latter is a distributional quirk of capitalism. And further, I
guess that a general economic theory of value should also theorise
different forms of value, and therefore not necessarily refer to
quantitative prices at all.

-Ian.


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