From: Howard Engelskirchen (howarde@TWCNY.RR.COM)
Date: Thu Feb 17 2005 - 21:14:00 EST
I don't get your objection to 'therefore' Hans. Love may not be manifested in a ring, but if it is causally efficacious it gets manifested. As your last sentence suggets without carrots/carats taking a price they can't be sold. howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans G. Ehrbar" <ehrbar@LISTS.ECON.UTAH.EDU> To: <OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: [OPE-L] Marx's Form of Analysis > Howard, we both agree that value is unobservable and > causally effective, just as many other social relations are > at the same time unobservable and causally effective. > > Apologies for my obscure sentence with the words "per > se" in it. Let me try again. You had written: > > > Notice that value is an unobservable -- it does not, > > cannot appear. Therefore it is manifested by means of > > forms of appearance (exchange value, money). > > I disagree with the word "therefore" in this passage. The > fact that value is unobservable does, by itself, not yet > create the necessity for it to take a form of appearance. > Many social relations are very effective even if they do not > have a form of appearance. For instance, lovers do not need > a wedding ring in order to know what to do with each other. > It is different with value relations: they can only take > effect if they have a form of appearance, because they are > not direct relations between the producers but go through > the market, i.e., through objects. > > Hans. >
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