From: Michael Williams (michaelj.williams@TISCALI.CO.UK)
Date: Fri Jul 15 2005 - 07:34:31 EDT
Phil, I am prepared to admit into my ontology cricket-playing suicide bombers. After all, many left-wing revolutionaries (including no doubt some on this list) have come from a bourgeois background and yet at one time or another espoused and implemented political violence. I could construct a Marxist critique of pre-modern society, religion, ideology, the bourgeois media, the bourgeois state as well as specifically of the capitalist economy that could account for the London bombings without resource to fantastical conspiratorial notions that drive your story. Such an account could, of course, call for investigation of some of the assertions you throw up: for example, the notion that as political repressive state apparatuses (don't you just love those old Althusserion concepts?) under huge political and public pressure for quick results may have persuaded themselves of people's guilt prior to legal proceedings I could also construct many more plausible conspiracy theories than yours, all with sound Marxisant credentials. Given my respect for OPE-L subscribers and the implicit 'scientific' nature of our discourse, however, I would have promulgated such conspiracies on one of the many web-sites (from all political perspectives) that enjoy such game-playing. Phil, have you not noticed that on this issue on this list you are almost talking to yourself - until I allowed myself to be drawn in? [PS: for the record, I am totally opposed to political violence both on ethical and pragmatic political grounds. That is to say I would never engage in such violence nor encourage others to do so. This does not mean that I would publicly condemn groups who feel they can demonstrate their situation to be so desperate and intractable that they see violence as the only possible course of action.] michael ------------------------------------ Michael Williams Harrow Business School (E3.09) Watford Road Harrow Middlesex HA1 3TP tel: 020 7911 5000 #4563 fax: 020 7911 5931 Home tel: 023 80768641 Home Fax: 0871 242 5819 michaelj.williams@tiscali.co.uk M.J.Williams02@wmin.ac.uk mobile: 07906 172655 http://www.wmin.ac.uk/mwilliams -----Original Message----- From: OPE-L [mailto:OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU] On Behalf Of Howard Engelskirchen Sent: 15 July 2005 03:28 To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Re: [OPE-L] On recent events in London and elsewhere not funny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Dunn" <pscumnud@DIRCON.CO.UK> To: <OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [OPE-L] On recent events in London and elsewhere Hi Andrew I hear you have taken to keeping explosives in the bathtup oop North. Makes a change from coal. :-) (I was born in Newcastle-on-Tyne.) The money question is: who is prepared to admit cricket loving suicide bombers into their ontology? Phil Quoting Andrew Brown <A.Brown@LUBS.LEEDS.AC.UK>: > Hello from Leeds. > > Leeds -- like rest of UK -- very different culture from Spain and NY in ways > I don't have time, nor knowledge, to analyse. Anyway, there's no need for > police occupation - there is, on the other hand, a world press occupation of > some previously anonymous backstreets. > > Andy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: OPE-L on behalf of glevy@PRATT.EDU > Sent: Thu 14/07/2005 17:28 > To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU > Cc: > Subject: Re: [OPE-L] On recent events in London and elsewhere > > > > Don't we have a member (or members) in Leeds? What's it like > there? Had the 'terrorists' come from my community in New > York City, I can tell you that it would be locked-down and > under police occupation. But, maybe that's a difference > between the situation 'there' and 'here'? To what extent will > this event further empower Blair and his 'Labour' (!) agenda? > > The popular response in London to the events there are quite > different -- it seems to me from afar -- to the reaction of > people in Madrid after the events there. Why is that? Shouldn't > it be obvious to everyone that the events in London are > connected to the war against Iraq? > > In solidarity, Jerry > Belfast, Maine > > > Philip Dunn -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005
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