From: Michael Williams (michaelj.williams@TISCALI.CO.UK)
Date: Sun Jul 31 2005 - 11:31:01 EDT
Paul, There is nothing forensic about picking out a couple of possible anomalies (without even indicating their provenance) from a huge body of evidence that is presumably out there that support one's own predispositions. I have no 'inside' source, beyond what is publicly available. And I repeat: from this evidence, however critically and sceptically read, there are many more plausible 'anti-capitalist' stories than grand conspiracy by whoever. michael -----Original Message----- From: OPE-L [mailto:OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Zarembka Sent: 31 July 2005 13:29 To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Re: [OPE-L] conspiracy I think too often 'motive' is immediately asked for, when it is far more productive to examine evidence as a decent criminal attorney might. If evidence that the official story is false accumulates, motive can then be addressed. The 1980 Bologna bombing for years was blamed on the left, then it turns out the mafia and right agents did it. People forget how long they were made a fool of. The lesson is to be very careful to flow with the media, even if one feels a bit lonely. Already there is major evidence that the 7/7 incident blamed on the 4 named is suspect. A person close to where a bomb went off survived and said saw no such person with a pack as alleged; they had return tickets; the only picture distributed of the 4 at Kings Cross is probably fake; the rental car was left with a 7 day return; one had had a major repair done on his own car; the bombs could have been under seats, given the direction of the damage; the families don't have a clue; two had pregnant wives, one expecting within DAYS. Even the Metro police are refusing to explicitly say it is suicide bombing and are entertaining more subtle explanations. It doesn't take much imagination to see the possibility than none were even in the train cars, but rather picked up ahead of time and done away with; that doesn't mean it happened that way, but... There are clever operators out there, but perhaps a little less clever than they need to be to execute a complete cover-up. Paul Z. ************************************************************************ RESEARCH IN POLITICAL ECONOMY, Paul Zarembka, editor, Elsevier Science ********************* http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PZarembka On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Michael Williams wrote: > Just so. > > What I find currently less plausible than many other leftish potential > accounts is a grand conspiracy on the behalf of the establishment to > instigate or fake-up bomb attacks in order to what? Legitimate more > repressive laws etc? > > Fragmented micro conspiracies on behalf of the various repressive state > apparatuses in the attempt to cover up their cockups, enhance their > 'successes' - now that is something else. > > michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: OPE-L [mailto:OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Cockshott > Sent: 30 July 2005 23:06 > To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU > Subject: Re: [OPE-L] conspiracy > > Why should we doubt the ability of opponents of the US and > the UK to conspire to use force against them? > > Just because we do not share the ideology of the islamist movement > is not a reason to assume that they lack the will, and capacity > to use force. > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005
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